External Groups in Yammer

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I am Service Owner of Yammer in my current role and we have not migrated to O365 Groups backed Native Yammer yet. The blockage being unclear roadmap from Microsoft on what happens to the existing External Groups we have and how do we keep them in our tenant in Native mode. Until we have this clarity we will not be able to migrate. And i am referring to an organization with over 120k employees strength. 

 

Is there a plan on this item in Microsoft's roadmap? I dont see any in the one published online by MS 

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@M365User Thank you for asking about this.  We are currently rolling out Azure B2B guest access for Yammer in preview, and plan to build it in to the Native Mode alignment tool soon.  This functionality will allow you to continue collaborating externally within Yammer in Native Mode.  @Salil_Kakkar can provide more detailed timelines on when the Azure B2B feature set will be more widely available.

@M365User a couple of things: 1. IF YOU HAVE EXTERNAL USERS, DO NOT MIGRATE TO NATIVE MODE! I made this mistake in hopes that the preview was going to be public. Now I'm in a holding position with our SharePoint Extranet because 75% of our company use their own M365 tenants and are considered guest users. I WOULD recommend going into to hybrid mode that uses Azure AD for authentication. But if you do, be sure that if fully migrates the user directory to Azure. I set up Office 365 Identity Enforcement, but It seemed to only be working in 1 direction (from office 365 to Yammer not from Yammer to Office 365). O365 users could sign in with SSO but Yammer groups were not creating Office 365 groups. I struggled getting help with this from Microsoft and really didn't realize how broken it was until I migrated to Native mode and it worked correctly. 2. IT'S NOT STATED ON THE NATIVE MODE MIGRATION DOCUMENTATION PAGE, BUT IT CAN TAKE UP TO 45 DAYS TO MIGRATE TO NATIVE MODE IF YOU HAVE NOT BEEN STORING YOUR YAMMER FILES IN A SHAREPOINT LOCATION. You will have to eventually migrate to Native mode for Yammer B2B guest access to work, but I would definitely make sure now that you are using SharePoint to store files. My migration took a week and that was on a network that was hardly used. When I say hardly used, I mean: 3 groups including All Company and a total of 20 posts all time with no attachments. So, 2 suggestions:

- set up O365 Identity Enforcement (verify that creating yammer groups create O365 groups) and combine your tenants into 1 so you can go into Hybrid Mode, But DO NOT GO TO NATIVE MODE! 

- Set the storage location for your yammer files as SharePoint.

 

I hope this is helpful. It's info I definitely wish I knew before I landed in this Microsoft Limbo.

@M365User @KRKHiram - we have some good news for you!

 

With the New B2B Guests in Yammer, you get the latest compliance and governance controls for guest users. We offer a seamless turn-key migration for existing (legacy) guest users to new B2B guests.

 

This feature is currently in private preview. Details - https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/yammer/get-started-with-yammer/azure-ad-b2b-guests-yammer

 

In case you are interested, you can sign-up here - aka.ms/AcceptAzureB2BGuestsYammerPreview.

 

We would love to assist to get your test/ prod tenants on-boarded.

 

Thanks,

Salil Kakkar

sakakkar@microsoft.com