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Will Modern Pages ever allow "Web Part Connections" (to link related lists)? How about "Filters"?

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One of the most powerful and, frankly, underused features in SharePoint (2010 and 2013) was the concept or practice of "connecting" related web parts. We used it ALL the time for things like:

  • A list of Vendors connected to lists of Quotes or Invoices
  • A list of Requests connected to a list of related Log Entries (each step in the request process generates a Log entry)

Also, it was helpful for creating "template" pages. For example, we would have a Query String Filter that connected to a bunch of lists on the page, each of which had a common column (e.g.: "Term"). So, when creating a course catalog, we didn't have to build a new page for each term, just use that template page with the right query string in the URL. 

 

As slick as the Modern Page experience looks and feels, it seems like they're driving toward the model of creating tons of separate pages rather than a few reusable ones. While creating these pages is easier in the Modern Experience, enforcing consistency between them is pretty much impossible (that's where the idea of a template page really shone).

 

So, since I can't find any chatter about these features/functions whatsoever, I figured I'd ask here to see if anyone else had seen or heard anything. Heck, maybe even someone from the mothership (calling @Mark Kashman or @Jeff Teper) could chime in and let me know if I should just give up hope on ever using Connections or Filter web parts on Modern Pages.

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They have already discussed at SPC and I want to say I had seen something on the AMA about it, that they do want to look at bringing this functionality in the future. Luckily, we still have access to classic pages when we have to use this stuff for now, so that's always an option until it's available.
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Fortunately, Today we have some interesting option to cover the use cases you mention:
(1) You can already clone an existing modern webpart to create another one, so technically you have the "templating" option there
(2) Site scripts and site desings are evolving really fast so I expect also the ability to include your customized modern pages there in the future
(3) Avility to connect modern WebParts, aka SPFx Dynamic Data, is coming
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Unfortunately, cloning a web part wouldn't really achieve the same result. What I'm talking about are entire pages of web parts connected to one another and/or to filters (particularly query string filters). Here's a brief look at one such site: https://youtu.be/f5A7Cf1IrRI

 

Maybe SPFx is going to be the way to do some of this going forward, but if so, that's a big ask from MS. I mean, I'm no coder, but I could create really useful experiences and sites using OOTB web parts. If I now need to learn how to write code and create web parts from scratch to achieve the same result, that's a step backward.

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This has been added to the Roadmap as coming in 2019.

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Hello everyone, great conversation topic!

 

Let me try to provide some clarity on this topic. First, my name is Luca Bandinelli and the PM owner of the SharePoint Framework under the SharePoint Engineering Team.

 

As part of SharePoint Framework (SPFx) we released a new feature called Dynamic Data which basically brings the same capability of part to part communications (and much more!) to the Modern SharePoint User Experience.

This feature, initially released in version 1.5 of SPFx framework, is currently marked as "Developer Preview"; this means you can use it for testing and even for prototyping but it's not recommended to be used in production environments as some APIs can change in behaviors before we release the feature for production. And backward compatibility with Preview features is not guaranteed.

We are however working very hard to make it production ready sometime this calendar year.

 

in the meantime, here are some pointers to start getting familiar with Dynamic Data:

Last, if you are planning to come to Microsoft Ignite, we will have sessions where we will present Dynamic Data capabilities both for end users and developers.

 

Thanks,

Luca 

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Beyond the good insights called out in this thread, I wanted to add that we did announce the support of webpart-to-webpart connections coming to SharePoint in Office 365, sometimes referred to as "dynamic data connections." You can review my blog that has a disclosure section about what we shared at MS Ignite 2018: "SharePoint powers teamwork in Office 365 – Ignite 2018 announcements": https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/Microsoft-SharePoint-Blog/SharePoint-powers-teamwork-in-Offic... (scroll to the "Enhancements to powerful SharePoint web parts and pages" section). Cheers, Mark.

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Hello,

 

is there an update on the availability of this feature? In the SharePoint Roadmap the feature is marked as launched since December 2018. Unfortuniatly I cannot find this feature / active it in our SharePoint environment. 

 

Kind regards,

 

Jan

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AS part of SPFx 1.7 we released Dynamic Data for General Availability. Details are reported here: SharePoint Framework v1.7 release notes

 

However it's important to mention that this doesn't mean that now all web parts we ship in the product (we refer those as "first party web parts" as they are developed by Microsoft) automatically expose that capability. 

1.7 release of SharePoint framework it's a developer release: it means that developers can create web parts that take advantages of Dynamic Data capabilities.

Web parts developed by Microsoft will start, where make sense, to surface ability to consume or produce signals for Dynamic Data; and that will happen over time.

 

 

Hope this helps,

Luca Bandinelli

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This is confusing. Can we simply know when out of the box list web parts will be able to connect?
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@Daryl Vogan wrote:
This is confusing. Can we simply know when out of the box list web parts will be able to connect?

Basically, if you're a developer, the nuts & bolts to create your own connected web parts are there in SharePoint Framework now. For us non-developers, Microsoft will eventually roll out their own "connectable" web parts. I would hope they'd start with the Library and List web parts, but since those officially came out of Preview relatively recently, I don't think that will be the case. 

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Basically, if you're a developer, the nuts & bolts to create your own connected web parts are there in SharePoint Framework now. For us non-developers, Microsoft will eventually roll out their own "connectable" web parts. I would hope they'd start with the Library and List web parts, but since those officially came out of Preview relatively recently, I don't think that will be the case. 

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@Mark Kashman any update on first party webpart connection availability? I need the embed one and it is not yet available in my dev tenant. Looked at the blog and neither the "roadmap pitstop" nor the "december update" articles mention the webparts.

 

Thanks

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This is welcome news and looking forward to it. Specifically looking forward to more development and customised features which support Visio integration with SharePoint Online. We are looking to embed visio diagrams on modern pages and connect the data in the diagram to other lists and libraries contained within our site..for example a page which contains the file viewer web part of a visio process flow diagram, and a web part showing a document library or highlighted content and as the user clicks on the shapes within the visio web part the document library or highlighted content will filter to only display the documents which correspond to that step (shape) of the process. This would be acheived by shape data values matching the values contained in the document library column. So basically modern versions of send shape data to, highlight. We need more out of the box  customisation options in the file viewer web part edit settings for visio files to select default zoom, default tab, lock pan and zoom etc - would be great to see this type of functionality in the future.

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I totally agree with Daryl. This is an inportant webpart to have. The only way to filter items in seval webparts on one single page. It gives great overview! Please release! :)
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I've tested the new feature and the experience is once again very underwhelming.

 

So basically you can:

  • Select a list item and see its properties (in a vertical lay-out, all fields under each other and yes another scrollbar inside your page).
  • Select a document and see the file preview.

So no option to select a list item and (via a shared property) show all related documents in a library (you could do this in 10 years ago in classic pages). 

 

Apart from this, I noticed you can use 'Page Environment' as a refiner source and select 'Query String'. I tried adding a few query strings but nothing seemed to work. Anyone an idea if / how this works?

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@Jeroen Lammens I have the same questions. Tried to use the query string parameter but I just don't understand how it is supposed to work.

 

See https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/SharePoint/SharePoint-Embed-Web-Part-Syntax/m-p/388388#M28329

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Hi @Mark Kashman and @Luca Bandinelli 

 

Can you provide an update on that? If not please try to find someone who could. Question still unanswered after many months.

 

I need to know if it will be possible to connect the embed web part to a URL parameter. And, if so when Soon :-),

This year :| ,

Someday / Top of mind :(

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@Jeroen Lammens wrote:

I've tested the new feature and the experience is once again very underwhelming.

 

So basically you can:

  • Select a list item and see its properties (in a vertical lay-out, all fields under each other and yes another scrollbar inside your page).
  • Select a document and see the file preview.

@Jeroen Lammens I completely agree.  The added functionality is neat because its new and does something, but it's underwhelming at best.  The ability to connect lists and have one list filtered by the selections in a related list is huge.  I am surprised that this hasn't come out yet.  Can anyone give an update or possible solutions that don't entail building it from scratch from spfx?

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Has anyone achieved anything of use in regards to connecting a list web part to another list web part so you can show a parent / child related list easily? In the classic experience, you had a list view and you could edit the display page and add a second related list to show related records.  Since related lists are key to how I would imagine EVERYONE uses sharepoint, I am very surprised and somewhat shocked that this isnt yet possible.

 

Thanks everyone, happy Friday.

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Only connecting a list to the same list unfortunately... I've been following this thread in hopes someone has a breakthrough on this or MS finally releases this functionality.

Does anyone know if, on sharepoint online, should the classic sharepoint webpages still have all the filter webparts? We're missing ALL the filter webparts on our sharepoint.
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@epiqbrian thanks for the reply, thats what I feared, its clear MS have been severely short sighted implementing these new modern web parts.

 

I was hoping the "list properties" web part where you have select Display = Selected Item would yield an for Display = Related Record but to no avail, or even that you could vary the "connect to source" setting and have this display the child list.

 

Certainly very very annoying to find this is still missing.

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Have you guys ever considered making use of PowerApps? It's literally a thousand times more powerful than connecting lists in classic. You can easily have a webpart for it, if it has to live on a page, and you can connect many lists with much more powerful logic behind the app in the web part section for it.
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Yes I have considered this but it doesn't really achieve what we need. I need to have two full lists on a page and have list 2 update based on my selection from list.  I prefer to use standard functionality (versus custom built PowerApps) whenever possible.  It caught us off guard since it seems to be an elementary component that already existed in classic. 

 

Plus PowerApps requires a license level above what is needed just for SharePoint so end user availability could be an issue. @Chris Webb 

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@Chris Webb I've started to look at powerapps but I'm not sure where to start with there... I currently have a need where I want to filter multiple lists on a page through one user selected filter (dropdown ideally).

 

Would you know if this is something that I can accomplish (without coding) using powerapps?

 

Thanks for the suggestion...

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Pretty sure if you use SharePoint Powerapp integration on a list it's included with pretty much all the SharePoint licenses. You could have a list page that has the list data and a filter just like a connected webpart on the screen. It's not too difficult to setup. Anyway, was a thought that would be able to give you a modern way of accomplishing similar if it's feasible since I've gone to using powerapps for anything I need drill down etc. with. I know they are heading down adding more options to connected but it really isn't a real option right now in modern.
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Everything you need to learn powerapps is on Shane's channel.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7_OGRP8BYvtGB8eZdPG6Ng

 

He does a good job explaining different topics. I'd check into the SharePoint integration ones and things like cascading drop down which will show you how you can filter data etc. But you pretty much setup your drop down control that reads from one list. Then a gallery below that with your list data, and you just add a filter to the gallery based off the selected value of the drop down. Pretty straight forward.

But from there, it could get more complicated based on what they are to do once they get the filter. You can have them click the ltem then go to a new page that has the list form, where they can fill it out and submit using built in forms. But you can get even more advanced with the fields with validation etc. if you wanted to ever.

Anyway, hopefully this gives you a starting point.

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@Chris Webb wrote:
Pretty sure if you use SharePoint Powerapp integration on a list it's included with pretty much all the SharePoint licenses. You could have a list page that has the list data and a filter just like a connected webpart on the screen. It's not too difficult to setup. Anyway, was a thought that would be able to give you a modern way of accomplishing similar if it's feasible since I've gone to using powerapps for anything I need drill down etc. with. I know they are heading down adding more options to connected but it really isn't a real option right now in modern.

@Chris Webb , the problem (for now...this will likely change in time) with using PowerApps for this is delegation. In the days of SP 2010 or 2013, you created relationships between lists by using Lookup Columns. It was great...you could do a ton of cool stuff based on those relationships. The problem with using those in PowerApps is that Lookups are a complex column type, the filtering of which (again, at this point in time, Summer 2019) cannot be delegated. So, once your lists grow beyond 500 (or 2,000, if you up the limit and take the performance hit) items, those filters aren't reliable. You need to resort to black magic, like copying the lookup value to a text column (which supports more delegable operators than lookups, but still isn't 100%) and then having to maintain that (when the value in the lookup column is changed, 'cause you know it will be). 

 

The bottom line is that yes, PowerApps is the answer for SOME of this, but not all of it. MS really made our lives difficult by rolling out the "Modern" experience well before there was any kind of feature parity to the "Classic" experience. Heck, until earlier this year, even the List and Library Web Parts were in "Preview". 

 

Don't get me wrong...Modern pages look great and can do a lot of things Classic pages couldn't, but making folks roll their own web parts just to have access to connections between them (something we've had "out of the box" for nearly 10 years) is a real sucker punch. 

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Very solid points. It’s def. a scenario situation. It would be nice to have those connections. Wondering if anyone has made any web parts now that’s the spfx supports the web part connections.
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I fully agree with those asking for this functionality and I am getting extremely frustrated by the lack thereof. Microsoft, please re-introduce this quickly to the general audience!

 

At the same time, this looks promising:

https://support.office.com/en-us/article/connect-web-parts-in-sharepoint-online-b457668c-d843-4b1b-8...

 

The File Viewer and Embed web parts have the connect functionality in my work organization. Not lists though. Yet ...

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Correction: List Properties have connections. But this is not achieving what I need. I need connected lists, i.e. one list displaying items, depending on the choice in a separate list. Not just the details of a list, based on the selection in the same list. :(

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@RoundaboutSkid I agree with you and am still waiting on the ability to connect lists and filter one based on the selection from the other.  This is disappointing :(

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How is this still not rolled out???  I have end users asking about this. We have to still go back to classic mode to accomplish this?  PowerApps creates too much administrative overhead for something like this, and is quite frankly harder to explain and support.  This thread has almost 10,000 views!

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It really is inexcusable almost that we don't have this fairly basic functionality on modern pages.
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@epiqbrian - This thread needs to be pinned to the top of the discussion board. Seriously.

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@DFRJC , actually, within the last month or so, the ability to connect list/library web parts has rolled out. This works as well as the same function in "classic" pages. However, I still (often) miss the "Filter" web parts for things like creating template pages that can dynamically update from a URL query string, date or user filter. We have a number of departments that have lots of content (documents, links, pages) related to a set of projects or keywords, so those template pages made it really convenient. Without a URL query string filter, we basically need to create a page for each project or keyword and set up highlighted content web parts or list views on each. One by one. It's quite tedious.

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@null null - we still can not connect 2 custom lists in a parent / child relationship. 

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@DFRJC I'm not seeing it either... started to get a little excited, but I'm not seeing anything new here...

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We are working on a project right now utilizing the highlighted content web part to pull content from different sites across the site collection.

While I agree that these are cool, they're not the connected webparts that I'd like to see from the old classic sharepoint days.
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Did anyone ever get this sorted ?  Im creating a series of linked lists (Department feeds to Worsktream, which feeds to User Story) 

This means we click next to department, it shows us the open workstreams, and we click next to one to show the associated user stories (one to many).

Classic allows me to connect the child list to the parent list, but as per the previous threads nothing in modern.

Its compounded for me as try as I might, I cannot embed the classic web part or wiki page inside Teams (just declines to show).

Really want to teach this 'old' feature as opposed to using anything from the power family as the teams will be using the functionality themselves.

 

Removing such a basic but usefeul feature in favour of look and feel really doesnt do justice to the great SharePoint we know and love (and earn the $$ on).

 

 

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@Nic Wood Sorry, not I have not seen any progress in that direction

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@null null

 

There is the following in the Office365 Roadmap:

 

SharePoint - lists and libraries web parts consume dynamic data

Let web parts talk to other web parts and your pages and experiences become more dynamic with data and interactive. You will be able to configure web parts to get or give their property values from other web parts, including updating those values based on what is selected. And now, both SharePoint List and Library web part can consume dynamic data from other source web parts.

 

Featured ID: 57307

Added to Roadmap: 11/4/2019

Last Modified: 12/31/2019

 

But now, March 2020 and it is still in development...

This is really a needed feature.