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I appreciate the benefits of Microsoft Search in the Office apps but I'm getting feedback form multiple people that having the search in the title bar is unhelpful because they need to use the title bar for dragging the window around. In Outlook in particular, having the search box so far away from the content that you're searching is jarring. I understand the value of consistency, but I think that the utility of putting search with the content it searches overrides being consistent at all costs. Can we have an option to move the search box back down to the content in Outlook, and perhaps not to have it in title bars at all?

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Hi @Mary Branscombe 

 

The search bar doesn't show in my version of Outlook 365, but it does in Word, Excel etc

 

To hid it, I use tick the 'collapse the Microsoft Search bar by default' to stop it from showing.

 

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I think its location should be customizable like the Quick Access toolbar and Ribbon.  It shouldn't be forced into the title bar which removes or impairs the function & consistency of the title bar. 

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@HidMovthis is a change in recent Insider versions of Outlook, so it may not have reached you yet. I can't find an option to move it back to the top of the inbox - and searching is so important in Outlook that I wouldn't want to hide the feature!

 
 
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Thanks @Mary Branscombe - I'm on the slow ring and not the fast ring which is why I was talking nonsense. :lol:

 

I'm going to switch to the fast ring and check it out; from what you've shown me this is going to mess up my workflow quite a bit. 

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Here's another really awful side effect of having the search bar in the title bar...  When you type into it, the search suggestions and actions drop-down menu COVERS the ribbon and the "Search" tab which contains search refinement options!!!  This makes the "Search" tab options completely unusable. If you click away in order to get the search suggestions to disappear, then the Search tab also disappears from the ribbon. 

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Tested the fast ring Outlook - not at fan at all. I've left feedback because it seems like it's not going to be a useful change going forward.

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None of my users like this change either. They are also not on the insider preview version of outlook.  

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This has appeared for one of our staff now as well. They are on Monthly Channel (Targeted) so it seems they are the first to receive it. Confused the hell out of them to have search just disappear (yes it only moved, but that's not where their eyes look for it) and they don't like it. The option to move it back would be ideal. I have no idea what benefit this is supposed to bring.

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@Paul Cunningham 

100% agreed. This search box on the outlook title bar is terrible.

I'm glad an authoritative voice as Paul noted this, so I hope the will retire or modify this behaviour.

 

Thanks.

 

Enrico

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Hey

I had to post an answer here. 

We are at the end of October and nothing changed, last week I updated office and now I have this disgusting feature...

This is a nightmare, first with inbox in the cloud even with local sync we have a much more slower search than before, now we have to struggle to find the search bar.

 

I hate this.

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+1 to the list of people who notice that it prevents us from using the Search tab in the ribbon.  You have to be crafty to get back to the ribbon, by clicking one of the dropdown arrows, then from there, click whatever else you're after.


E.g. 

  1. Click into new search bar.
  2. Click the "Recent Searches" Search ribbon tab button's down-arrow (this hides the fly-down menu from the new search bar that covers most of the Search ribbon tab).
  3. Click whatever it was in the Search ribbon tab that you wanted to click in the first place.
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Maybe this is the worst Idea since, I don't know, GREEDO SHOOTING FIRST!

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I think we're supposed to drop down the search options box from the title search box and ignore the ribbon
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I agree @maryb. I think you're right. Time to go de-whine-ify my other post:). I may see about removing the search ribbon tab and see how I can acclimate to the new bar.
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my options menu doesn't show the disable search bar...wtf, help

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@Mary Branscombe 

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@Mary Branscombe 

 

Covering the ribbon with the much needed refiners is a very bad thing.
Searching on multiple categories is very hard now. I use categories a lot. We need categories for proper single folder archiving. While working on it, please provide a scrollbar in the categories search list, to easy select multiple categories.
Its is not cofigurable enough.

Bert

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This extra search field is makes it harder to grap the window and move it; plus it's redundant. If I want to search I simply need to press <CTRL>-F. That is MUCH faster than taking my hand off the keyboard, moving the mouse, and clicking. Bottom line, this is a feature designed by someone who doesn't actually use Excel.
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@ChristopherRath 

 

What are you even talking about; dragging the window interacts perfectly fine with the search bar (on multiple machines) and the microsoft search function in particular is accessed through Alt+Q on a default QWERTY binding and has been for as long as I remember.

 

The original design of the microsoft search bar was on the ribbon - which was also arguably not optimal if not more obscure, but it certainly doesn't make the search on the title bar an "extra search field".

 

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Many people use this feature in a lot of areas of expertise. Dismissing it as "a feature designed by someone who doesn't actually use Excel" is not only quite disrespectful, it doesn't even consider the fact that this design change has rolled out to most Office 365 apps.

 

I'm pretty sure a lot of people are frustrated with the really questionably bad design choice of where the search bar has moved (and left uncollapsed), but at least express more accurate or constructive feedback.

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I too don't have the option 'Remove or shrink Search box in title bar' in my Outlook 365 on my notebook.
I simply don't want to use it for now.
So how to revert to the usual way?

I really find it a bad idea to implement new features without the option to disable them.

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That option not available in Outlook??
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So stupid...do the developers even use these features before releasing them? I use the Search Ribbon tools daily and now they are obscured by a new search drop down, which gives no additional value.
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Retire please. Nothing wrong with the old search bar.
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Way more clicks and totally inefficient for those that display the ribbon.
Old method - Ctrl +E then click the refiners on the ribbon. Super efficient.
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Wow! What an incredibly condescending reply. However, I agree he was wrong for saying "a feature designed by someone who doesn't actually use Excel." He should have been more accurate and say "a feature designed by someone who has never used Office." See... my statement takes into consideration that this stupid design change has rolled out to most Office 365 apps.

The search box takes up ~20% of the title bar. It's also obvious that they are planning on doing away with the search tab completely as you can't access it anymore when customizing the ribbon. Perhaps maybe monotykamary doesn't mind being slow and methodical when doing simple tasks, but I've got work to do so when a window needs moving, I shouldn't have to think about it. Just click the title bar and drag. But if I happen to click on the overly large search box, no dragging.

Hopefully, the feature in Word to collapse the Search Box will be brought over to Outlook where it's really needed. Also, they should really re-think the "Suggested Actions". They're never relevant.


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@Adam Lein 

And most importantly - you can't see the name of the folder you are in!  Especially, for those of us that have multiple mailboxes, you can't tell which one you are in.. very bad design.!

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I agree 100%. The Outlook search in the title bar is awful.  Please put it back!

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This is an extremely unfortunate design decision, especially if they're not giving us a way to revert or choice where our search field is.  The Title bar, is for me the please to display the ... wait for it ... Title of a document or email, or the closest equivalent to that.  I could see some people arguing over what the Title of any particular piece of information is -- Is a Filename a title?  If so, should it include a path? What about Inbox, or mailbox folder name?  Perhaps the subject line of an email?

 

But you know what isn't a Title --- a search field input box.  That is not a Title.

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Putting the search into the title bar is horrible and unnatural (and make its harder to drag around the window). One of the Microsoft Office apps gets so bad that there is literally nothing to "grab" to drag the window -- you have to use ALT-Space and M to move the window. But Microsoft Program Managers will sit there and defend it as "great and innovative" - despite feedback here and on many other forums. So we are probably stuck with this poorly conceived UX design for the next decade. 

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@Mary Branscombe 

This decision by MS to move the search bar without flexibility is extremely shortsighted.

The functionality obviously was not tested by heavy Outlook users.

 

ere are a few comments.  I am dealing feedback from a sample set of about 5000 users many who use the search bar frequently.

 

1) I very much like the filter drop down,  Great addition.

 

2) The position of the search bar.

Moving the bar above the ribbon to the top left of the window and makes it much less user friendly.  Sounds petty but time wasted accumulates when you have to move the mouse further especially if you are a frequent searcher.  The current location, pre-update on the right side below the ribbon, works just fine.

 

Standardization is nice but Outlook is not Word and Outlook is not Excel.  They are used differently. 

MS .... Please reconsider or at least do some additional research.

 

Regards,
Rob

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@Gfyrlwwhen I first brought this up nearly a year ago, the Microsoft response was that they were going to wait and see what the wider group of users thought about it; I see that I'm going to be reporting back the next time I talk to anyone on the Outlook team that the wider group of users finds it as annoying and displaced as I continue to do a year later ;) 

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Ever since they fixed the ribbon so that the search ribbon tab stays selected more easily, when you've clicked into the title bar search box, I have started to no longer mind it. As long as the ribbon tab is still the same as before, all they've done is move the little search box which is puny and not a big deal. It was just the shock factor that got me initially.

With Click to Run, the whole world is on a conveyor belt and so the shockwaves keep coming here. Eventually it will dwindle and be just fine as is.
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@Mary Branscombe I couldn't agree more. The new search is a total pain. In every task preformed with search I have 50% more clicks and navigation. This is a unnecessary time waster and there is no benefit. This is proof positive that the engineers and designers at MS have nothing to do, so they just messed up a perfectly functional and useful part of Outlook so they could claim to be doing some work. They haven't even integrated a connection with Outlook and Skype after all of these years and they mess with search?  

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@Mary Branscombe I agree with most of the other posters. It was much easier to find and use in its old location. The title bar location is awkward to use and requires too much mouse movement to access.

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@Mary Branscombe 

 

i also feel it is not a good "upgrade". The feel and ease of use is definitely degraded when the search box is in the title bar. i agree that its location should be customizable. 

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@Adam Lein - I agree this is so totally annoying I have no idea why they thought it would be a good idea to put it above the Ribbon UGH!!

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The new layout is really annoying and very poor UX. Please roll back the feature or at least make it optional so users can change it back to where it was.

 

Regards,

Pratik

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@Mary Branscombe Hi all, this request should be posted at UserVoice as all other suggestions for product improvements. For the Outlook client https://outlook.uservoice.com/  

(my apologies if it has already been done).

 

*edit* I am using O365 ProPlus version 2002 and when toggling off "coming soon" at the menu bar (upper right corner) the search bar goes back to the previous location. Maybe that solves the problem for some of you, at least for now.

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@Mary Branscombe 

Try this..., it worked for me... 

Look for the switch button located on the upper right corner of your Outlook window.

Toggle the switch to "off" and restart Outlook.

 

Search Bar from Title Bar to Original Location

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My 2p is that for someone who doesn't use every app maximised there's frequently very little title bar to drag without tripping over various bits that have been moved there now. I know who I am, so don't need that taking up a huge swathe of space and was happy with where search was.

It's going to completely mess up my way of working
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@paulcopsey It's an ill-conceived design change, making it virtually impossible to grab some title bars to move the window now. There is an open UserVoice topic about this at:
https://outlook.uservoice.com/forums/322590-outlook-2016-for-windows/suggestions/39046513-search-at-...

 

 

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@Mary Branscombe Vote here to fix the search in the title bar issue. It's really annoying as there is hardly any real estate now to grab and move the window. I've had to resort to Alt-Space M and use the arrow keys a few times now.

https://outlook.uservoice.com/forums/322590-outlook-2016-for-windows/suggestions/39046513-search-at-...

 

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@lesterw100  Considering how many people has viewed (and commented) on this topic, it would probably already be an option to move the search box if everyone had voted on UserVoice. As the workaround for now is to toggle off "coming soon" it has not been implemented as default for all Update Channels and could possibly be adjusted.

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@Mary BranscombeIt also seems that the search bar has pushed out the identifier which previously showed which email account a user was in (for those who have multiple accounts listed in their Outlook list).

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@lesterw100 I just noticed that you can actually grab the search bar itself to move the window.  Just click and move in one motion.  Don't click the search bar and then click again to move.

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@SpencerDCS Can you attach video clip of this happening please. It does not work on my system.

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@DesCar1947Sorry, the video capture does not work. 

 

Left-click, hold, and move, do not let go of the mouse click.  The search bar must not be active for this to work.  It works in all Office products.

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@Mary Branscombe Thanks Microsoft... another change that no one wanted - and it is explicitly less convenient than the previous UI.

 

The old search bar was quick and easy to access, and I didn't fill half your screen with its drop down menu, and it wasn't of garbage suggestions that I don't want or need, all before you start typing ANYTHING. The old ones drop down was small and simple.

 

Please don't force this down our throats. If you focus grouped this Microsoft you didn't do your due diligence, I doubt you survey existing Outlook users. Your crappy consulting firm likely focus grouped man-on-the-street type people... Who don't Outlook 2016 every single day.

 

This is another feature that I don't see anyone liking. People have adjusted to the ribbon that you forced years ago, but you still have to Google where thigns are anytime you use a function that your don't use regularly; the ribbon because completely non-intuitive (you could have lept the option to keep the menu bar, and you know this).

 

I dare say this search bar is a worse change than the ribbon.

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@Adam Lein  Aint gonna happen. People begged and begged MS to leave the menu bar as an option you can turn on and off, instead of have to use the ribbon; where you literally have to go to google to find out where they have a hidden a function in it that you need (I still do to do this day, and I think most people have to to find something they don't use often). And that was over a decade ago.

 

Fortunately third party addin Classic Menus fixes that, but as a system admin my users wanted to throw their PC's out the Window when we upgraded to Ribbon-using Office versions.


They seem to be equally pissed about this search bar's terrible location. It completley breaks the flow of work. Not intuitive - and objectively clunky.