09-02-2018 03:28 AM
09-02-2018 03:28 AM
I have just found out - the hard way - that the update from 25th June has changed the way recurring appointments work in Outlook 2016.
They all used to default to "No end date" which suited me just fine. I use Outlook standalone (I'm self-employed) and I use it for 2 things, mostly:
Reminders for periodical things like ordering prescriptions every 2 months
Client appointments - weekly and indefinitely (I'm a psychotherapist).
So today I realised that it had been limiting the duration of recurrences and I hadn't noticed. Clients might come for years (certainly over 1 year quite often) and it could have caused me serious scheduling issues in a few months time when I appeared to be "free" when I was "booked". This has caused me hours of work going back through every appointment since June and fixing them, by hand.
Way more serious was the limitation of the appointment I added for "Every 8 weeks" (and how I noticed it at all). This would have expired shortly and I wouldn't have noticed, leaving me in a potentially *life threatening* situation because I would not have ordered medication when I needed to.
If MS wants to change these to default to an end date then fine BUT some of us liked / needed it the other way around. I appreciate I can just push the button on each appointment as I create it but I'm a human and will eventually muck this up to possibly huge detriment.
How can I revert this behaviour so all recurring appointments default to "no end date" once again, be it daily, weekly or monthly? Registry hack, group policy change, whatever. I can't find any option anywhere to change it, or even to change the default date range it gives (I could just change it to 100 years if so, and get the same result).
I really hope there's a fix for this. I've been an Outlook evangelist since it was first released, and this is the first time I've ever wondered if I need to use a different diary system. Ever.
09-02-2018 03:59 PM
You should never have it set to "no end date". People wonder why outlook is slow at times, or when they click Calendar, it takes a while to load, well, has anyone ever thought it has to load 20 years of an appointment? This puts a big strain on the server and I am guessing this is why the default behavior has changed. Because people don't understand that if it says no end date, then it will keep going and going and going and going, and its putting a load on a server and in a shared environment, its not a good thing.
09-02-2018 09:56 PM
This is a dumb excuse. There are ways to make appointments dynamic, so it only shows you a 5+ year entry if you go that far into calendar. I don't believe it is even programmed the way you describe in Outlook now. I have plenty of no end date reminders and my Outlook is fine. I also leave only a few letters in my Inbox. I have nktice Outllook is usually horribly slow for those users who leave every email and have ten thousands of them in the inbox..
09-03-2018 03:45 AM
Indeed, it is my belief that a brand-new created recurring appointment is not "real" on every calendar occasion, but that it is generated when you view it from the "rule" you made.
If you mess with one of them (add a note, delete it etc.) then that one particular one becomes an exception and a "stand-alone" appointment, but all the others in the series are still just "virtual".
This is borne out by the fact that if you later go and set an end date, any before that date but which you have deleted magically reappear - implying that the rule puts them in but any exceptions have been cleared.
So there being no reason at all for this change, or at least not for it to be mandatory.
09-03-2018 09:50 AM
Understand, but that is not how it is, specially on the server side. The server has to be able to render those appointments all the way up to the end date, so, its there, on the server side ,rendering forever.
When the client (outlook desktop app) opens up, you can see on the bottom right how its "updating folders", and at that time, the client will connect to the server and the server has to have all those appointments ready to go so when you click on it, it can render it. Even when you go and you edit the first one, when it says "Edit just this one, or entire series", it has the "Entire Series" in memory, ready to be edited, in case that is the option you pick.
So, its just best to always have an end date, and your outlook will run faster and all of that.
09-03-2018 10:08 AM
You speak like you know the internal workings of Exchange/Outlook. What you describe is very inefficient from a programming standpoint.
Personally i don't remember what the default setting was. Currently it defaults to some date indeed. There is probably a reason for this change, but i can't think of one realistic. Other than some users complaining that they didn't want their events to go forever.
09-05-2018 02:30 AM
At the very least, there must be a registry key to change the default end period. They're much too short as it stands.
09-07-2018 11:51 AM
I'm new to this forum, is there somewhere else / better I should direct this to try to get some answers, please?
09-07-2018 12:07 PM
This is community forums, where mostly users of Microsoft products participate. MS employees can jump in from time to time, but i wouldn't hope to get an answer here about why the default has changed or even about how to change it. There is also Uservoice, you can post this there and hope enough users will upvote it and it won't sink quickly below posts with thousands of votes. https://outlook.uservoice.com/
12-18-2018 05:23 AM
Hi! Did you ever find a solution to your issue? I have the same exact observation & complaint. It's a stupid default that they did & it's messed some things up for me, so I'd love to know if you found a workaround!
01-01-2019 09:53 AM
Unfortunately, I can see both sides of this argument equally strongly. When a reminder is created with an end date, then I, for one, would also have to remember to manually create a reminder for close to when that end date is, just to re-extend that end date when the time comes, for each recurring appointment.....what chaotic situation that sounds like! Perhaps, when that setting was (silently) changed from "no end date," Microsoft also should have progromatically and automatically created such individual reminders of recurring appointments' end dates nearing.....that would have solved this problem, and could still! True, it would be easier for us that need to, to try to remember to change the end date to none when creating a new recurring appointment, but even that is easier said than done (after decades of habit forming, creating recurring appointments in Outlook).
Is there no way to change the default back to "no end date?" I just had another scary thought: is it possible that the removal of "no end date" on June 25th applied retroactively to pre-existing recurring appointments?? How can I see what the end dates of recurring appointments currently are? I ask that last question because, even if end dates were *not* retroactively modified, there may have been some recurring appointments I created *since* I was (just now) aware of this (June 25th) change....if so, I would need to go and adjust those back to "no end date," of course.
Lastly, for others in this thread who were asking if the "short default end date" could be modified, it looks like this article has the instructions to do that: https://www.slipstick.com/outlook/calendar/encourage-users-to-set-end-date-on-recurring-appointments...
Unfortunately, that article won't help me, and my horribly bad (ADHD level/type bad) memory (as well as others like me). I had been relying on Outlook for decades for this purpose, and this change has definitely "pulled the rug out from me." At the same time, if no end date recurring appointments truly clog Exchange servers with multiple, infinite appointments, I understand how that is not a good thing either, but I then wonder how those Exchange servers survived for the past few decades, with the default for recurring appointments being set to "no end date?"
01-01-2019 10:46 AM
You can double click on an event with recurring and got to Recurrance window and check the setting. It hasn't been applied to old events with no date. This is only a new default for new events.
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