11-14-2018 05:51 AM
11-14-2018 05:51 AM
Some of our teachers are wanting to use ePortfolios in lessons like in Art to replace sketch books and i've been looking at OneNote / Teams / OneDrive and Google Classroom. Unfortunately it would seem that Google Classroom is way ahead of the game when it comes to this kinda thing. Maybe i'm missing something in MS's offering but it seems like Teams isn't completed as a full package.
I've been doing a bit of a walkthrough on both systems and teams. Here are my notes:
MS Teams Walkthrough:
Looking at Teams, I've been doing a complete walk through of this and things don't look good for Teams either - maybe i'm missing something but it seems VERY clunky and not well thought out.
I've got 4 users -Test Staff which is the teacher of the class and 3 test students (2015, 2016, 2017). Teststaff opens MS teams and creates a new team - selects Classes and gives it a class code / description. Teststaff proceeds to add the 3 students to the class.
An email is sent to all 3 users as a notification to say they have been added to the class - perfect so far.
This is where it starts to fall down.
Teststaff clicks on assignments and creates a new assignment or a quiz. Teststaff assigns this to all students of the class and gives it a name. In this case it's called Module 1 - teststaff assigns the assignment. A toast notification pops up in the bottom right of the teststaff's screen but no email notification is pushed out to the 3 students, therefore students don't know about this assignment unless the teacher tells them.
All 3 students create a piece of work on their OneDrives and hand-in their work. No notifications to Teststaff that work has been handed in. The only way Teststaff knows if any work has been handed in is via Assignments > Click on the relevant assignment > Review. Only then will Teststaff see who has handed in their work. As mentioned, there are no notifications to either students / staff about this process. I would have expected at least a notification to the teacher to say that x student has handed in their work or even an email to the student to say You've handed in x piece of work.
Once the work has been handed in, Teststaff reviews the work to see who / what has been handed in. Teststaff is able to give feedback and return the work back to the student however there is no notification to students to show this. No where does it show work has been handed back to students. (Only in the feeds does it show this).
Feedbacks not logged correctly either to show progression. There is no way to see past history of feedback that has been given to users. Student is unable to provide a comment or feedback to the teacher on what has been changed.
Teacher not notified work has been handed back by the student.
Google Classroom Walkthrough:
Unfortunately Google Classroom seems the better product here as a side by side comparison. It seems to work in the same kinda way however it's liter than MS Teams, smoother and quicker.
Teacher logs into Classroom > Creates a class and gives it a name / section / subject / room. Once the class is created teacher browses to People or Classwork. Teacher can add students based on typing in their email address. An email is sent to the student asking them to join the class. Clicking join enrolls them into the class. If however a student opens up classroom > classes and sees there is a class to join they are able to decline it which is a bit of a pain :\
If a teacher assigns an assignment to the class an email notification is sent to all students of the class to say a new assignment has been create. Students are able to open the assignment from their emails.
Teachers are able to disable chat within the class - this is done Stream > Cog > Disable class comments. Essentially this is chat within the class.
All work is edited and saved in Google Drive.
Students are able to Turn-in (hand in) work from Google Docs, attachments or a link so O365 documents *could* be used here but the majority would just use Google Drive. There is an issue though when a student hands in work for the first time. The teacher does not get a notification to say when this process happens. It would be better if an email was delivered to the teacher each time a student handed a piece of work in.
There is a feature called private comments, this enables a private and logged conversation between teacher and student. Notifications from student to teacher are sent to teacher mailbox and vice versa.
Teachers are able to either edit the document or suggest changes and a comment log is logged if a teacher wants to explain why the suggestion has been made.
My concern here is that staff members could change and alter the document and submit it as a student's piece of work. Even when returning the document to the student the teacher is still able to go in and edit the document.
An email is sent to the student informing them that a document has been returned.
Google Drive shows who and when the document was last edited.
If a student re-submits a document, the teacher is informed of the re-submit to their email address.
Is anyone else in the same boat? Am i missing the point with Teams / OneNote?
11-14-2018 06:18 AM
Hope you are well. Appreciate the frustrations - especially as I used to be a secondary school teacher in a former life!
The Teams version for Education is developing rapidly. There is currently an open request to have exactly this notification functionality on Teams User Voice
I would recommend adding your voice and getting others to do so to see these improvements happen. I have voted and added my name to that request.
11-14-2018 06:37 AM
Thanks for taking the time to reply my thread.
I've seen the request, voted and posted the original walkthroughs from my notes on uservoice so MS know what google are up to.
It's a shame that MS can't work a bit quicker as i get the feeling we are starting to be force to use Google instead of MS. MS core products are great, such as Word, Excel, Powerpoint and Outlook however their online apps - flows, forms, teams just aren't there yet and it seems like MS are dragging their heels a little.
Google have made it so easy for the non tech savvy teachers to create classes, assign assignments etc where as ms seem to over complicate things - even google forms has the ability to add an attachment to a form which is what i am longing for in forms.
I've setup flows for a few of our internal forms which is working well - not sure if google can do this though.
11-14-2018 07:01 AMSolution
Thanks for taking the time to put up your notes on the UserVoice.
I share your sentiments, and I understand what you mean in terms of having something that makes it simple. Some of the applications like Teams and Flow and Forms are modern developments, and whilst rapidly evolving there is a huge amount of feedback to work through and items to add.
Happy to say attachments in Forms are being worked on! See https://microsoftforms.uservoice.com/forums/386451-welcome-to-microsoft-forms-suggestion-box
I hope I answered some of your questions and if I have, please feel free to add a like or best solution to your answer. I look forward to seeing you here more and working with you on some more questions.