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# I need a formula to calculate a loan payment with additional principle added to accelerate payoff...

Hello All!

This relates to a Mortgage Payment scenario. Calculation of the payment ( PMT(Int/12,Term,-Bal.) ) then illustrating the effects of an additional dollar amount being applied to the principle only on a monthly basis to accelerate the payoff term. I have built entire spreadsheets to accomplish this and they work beautifully. In this case I need a one formula in one cell solution to accomplish this as it will need to be available to hundreds, maybe thousands of rows each with its own specific criteria under which this calculation will need to be applied. I have included an attachment of a sample of the more spread out version of the calculation with the cheat of using my HP 17BII+ to calculate the right answer. The additional payment made each month is to be applied directly to principle as opposed to as a prepayment applied to both principle & interest.

I really appreciate your collective assistance with this one!

Douglas

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# Re: I need a formula to calculate a loan payment with additional principle added to accelerate payof

@Douglas997t  wrote:  ``The additional payment made each month is to be applied directly to principle as opposed to as a prepayment applied to both principle & interest.``

Ostensibly, the Excel formula is:  =NPER(D66/12, D68 + D69, -D64)

But that results in 200.466253023484, which rounds to 200.47, not 200.48.

And IMHO, NPER should be rounded up because humans cannot count non-integer periods.

So the formula should be:  =ROUNDUP(NPER(D66/12, D68 + D69, -D64), 0)

Mathematically, the amount of periodic interest is always prevBal*intRate.  It is not affected by the amount of the payment.

So, any additional payment does indeed reduce only principal.

However, as principal is reduced periodically, so is the amount of interest each period.

This is demonstrated below.  See the attached Excel file for formulas.

# Re: I need a formula to calculate a loan payment with additional principle added to accelerate payof

Modern Excel can look very different.

``````Balanceλ
= LAMBDA(p, r₀,
LAMBDA(bf, f, MAX(bf * (1 + r₀) - p, 0)
)
)``````

# Re: I need a formula to calculate a loan payment with additional principle added to accelerate payof

Great job Joe. I really appreciate your help on this!

Enjoy your weekend and July 4th!

Douglas

# Re: I need a formula to calculate a loan payment with additional principle added to accelerate payof

I accept that the calculation I presented is a mathematical abstraction of the problem and does not capture practical considerations; no business practice is going to work with millionths of a cent. The calculation produces an array of balance figures (columns H and M) and the other columns form no part of the calculation; they are derived for information only.

The 'simplicity' I set out to achieve is to generate each table from a single formula rather than the original 2240 individual formulas.  The method is far closer to the world of professional programmer than it is to that of a normal spreadsheet end-user.

You found the use of Lambda functions off-putting.  All a Lambda function does is allow one to write a formula in terms of parameters passed to it as variables.  The idea is that such a formula is less prone to errors of consistency than a traditional formula copied across a range.

The end of the Einstein quote you mentioned was "... and no simpler".  The challenge to be answered by traditional spreadsheet methods is "does an excess of simplicity itself create impenetrable and error-prone solutions?"

# Re: I need a formula to calculate a loan payment with additional principle added to accelerate payof

I apologize for the several deleted attempts to express my thoughts about your implementation.  I struggled with suggestions that might make it work.

Re: ``The method is far closer to the world of professional programmer``

Speaking as a professional programmer with 40 years experience in compiler and operating system design, I can say with impunity that there is nothing about our two implementations that makes one more "professional" than the other.

On the contrary, as a professional, I pride myself on creating the simplest implementations that are readable, maintainable, efficient and, most importantly, correct.

Your implementation reminds of the challenges in the 1960-70s to write one-line APL expressions that would do the calculation of a multiline function in any other language.  They were never considered "professional".  In fact, the more obscure they were the better in order to challenge the reader, or so the game went.

# Re: I need a formula to calculate a loan payment with additional principle added to accelerate payof

Hey Joe.

I just realized something that will likely change the approach to what I was attempting and I apologize for the detour in advance.

My use for the formula you came up with has one nuance I didn't consider. The scenario is where there is an existing loan in place and we are say 8 yrs 3 mos into the amortization schedule of a 30 yr loan. The calculation I need will illustrate my taking over that loan 8 yr 3 mos into its life and in this illustration, at that point adding additional principle of a a given amount. The exact amount is not important but the method of calculating a way point at any given point in time as we will intervene at a different points in the existing loan cycle every time. If we are taking over financing midstream the allocation of principle and interest will be at a different point than if we began adding principle on day one of a 30 yr loan for instance. I have done this before in a broadly broken out column by column layout but is there a way to accomplish the same thing in the same neat consolidated format as your first solution?

I apologize again for not being clearer but I hadn't thought through what I actually needed from a formula thoroughly enough.

Let me know if you have an idea of how to accomplish this.

Thanks again,

Douglas

# Re: I need a formula to calculate a loan payment with additional principle added to accelerate payof

@Douglas997t  wrote:  ``we are say 8 yrs 3 mos into the amortization schedule of a 30 yr loan``

Not a problem.  We simply treat it as a new loan.

See the image and explanation below.  See the attached Excel file for formulas.

(Aarrgghh!  The lefthand table title has a copy-and-paste error (it should be "without" not "with"), and I am inexplicably unable to replace the image the way I want to.  But I was able to update the attached file.)

As you can see, I copied the relevant data for the original loan into C75:D78.

And I added D80, which calculates the number of pmts made already.  You might need to modify that formula, since your description ``we are say 8 yrs 3 mos`` is vague.

Then I redefined the data in C64:D71 for the new loan.

I also replaced the formulas in columns F:I to be similar to the more flexible formulas in columns K:N.  The only difference is the pmt expression:  \$D\$68 in column G; and \$D\$68+\$D\$69 in column L.

(I could have done that the first time.  But I wanted to keep the formulas in the lefthand table simple, like what I thought you might be used to.)

The new loan in D64 is the remaining balance of the original loan after the number of payments in D80.  Verify that that matches your actual numbers.

If it does not match and you want help to understand why not, I will need actual numbers for D75, D78, D80 and D64.  Or you could try the most common remedy:  use =ROUND(PMT(...),2) in D68 and D78.

(Errata.... I always use ROUNDUP, not ROUND (typo), for the payment to ensure that the last payment is less.  It's a legal disclosure issue.  You might try it both ways, just to see if you can get a match.)

Also note that the "min pmt" in D68 and D78 should the same, or nearly so, if the interest rates in D66 and D76 are the same.

In my example, they differ by 2.73E-12, an infinitesimal and usually insignificant difference due to binary arithmetic anomalies.

# Re: I need a formula to calculate a loan payment with additional principle added to accelerate payof

No need to apologise, I am perfectly happy to take positive suggestions or even criticism on board.  I freely admit that I had not taken rounding into account, both because the rules to be implemented had not been specified and because I didn't want to add complexity to what is already a somewhat alien approach to spreadsheet usage.

Your background as a compiler writer did come as a little bit of a surprise, my background was scientific programming using Fortran IV, so not as fundamental in IT terms.  My point in describing the approach as 'closer to the world of professional programmer' was not as a comment of professionalism but a recognition of the task as a programming exercise rather than merely the manipulation of numbers that tends to characterise normal spreadsheet use.

The formulas I had in mind were those that underpin the PMT function that, itself, generates an unrounded value.  Rounding it up generates an over-payment which accumulates but I could adjust the calculation within the final payment period to compensate.  I think that will happen automatically but I will check.

Something I aim to achieve, is to create a formula that can be modified to give results for variable interest rates or periods of grace etc, without touching the spreadsheet itself, other than creating a lookup table to show the changes against the period for which they scheduled.  I certainly do not prioritise 'concise'; in general I am for 'readability' and avoid direct cell referencing despite it being the industry standard for spreadsheets.

# Re: I need a formula to calculate a loan payment with additional principle added to accelerate payof

This workbook shows the base payment rounded up and the interest charged rounded down to the nearest dollar.  The final period adjustments are pretty large but I assume that is normal.

# Re: I need a formula to calculate a loan payment with additional principle added to accelerate payof

Ok, now I see I might get a specialist to help me with that. I tried to calculate how much money I would have to return to the bank if I took a five-year loan with an APR of 5-6%. If it turns out I would have to pay the bank too much money additionally, I will probably consider taking a loan from a nonbank financial organization. I want to buy a house with the help of Mortgage Advisor London, but I lack about 30% of the sum, so I want to take a loan to cover it and pay the full price to the owner. I don’t have time to save some more money because someone else will definitely buy the house.

# Re: I need a formula to calculate a loan payment with additional principle added to accelerate payof

@halleyhalligan  wrote: ``Ok, now I see I might get a specialist to help me with that.``

Who are you referring?  And what exactly do you need help with:  the loan problem, or a LAMBDA solution per se?

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@halleyhalligan  wrote:  ``I tried to calculate how much money I would have to return to the bank if I took a five-year loan with an APR of 5-6%. ``

That is not sufficient information for anyone to offer a solution.

But as I commented in another late "reply" that you posted in another discussion (click here), it  would be better for you to start a new discussion.

When you do, we will need to know:

1. The principal amount of the loan.

2. The actual annual interest rate.  "5 to 6%" is not specific enough.  Also note:  APR is not necessarily the same as the annual interest rate.  (I know:  the terminology is confusing.  Sigh.)

3. The payment frequency.  Typically, it is monthly.  But there are a lot of other ways to structure a loan.

4. How to convert an annual interest rate to a periodic rate (i.e. rate per payment period).  If you are unsure, at least tell us the lender's country.

But in very general terms, the following works in most countries for loans with monthly payments:

=PMT(monthlyRate, numberOfMonths, -loanAmount)

# Re: I need a formula to calculate a loan payment with additional principle added to accelerate payof

Why are you developing this formula? You can go to the bank and easily find out which formula to use to calculate your mortgage repayments. When I took out a mortgage, I found out all these details at the beginning. Many people I know have experienced cheating from mortgage companies. That is why it is important to consult several specialists who will prevent any problems. I worked with Mortgage Broker Doncaster ( https://doncastermoneyman.com ) when applying for a mortgage. Thanks to his advice and referrals, I got a mortgage on very good conditions.

# Re: I need a formula to calculate a loan payment with additional principle added to accelerate payof

The reasons for development of this formula are not entirely relevant but I will try to give you the reader's digest version.

My background from 1990-2018 was as a Real Estate and Mortgage Broker based in L.A. I actually owned a Mortgage Company from 2002-2012 and have a strong background working with Lotus 123 (1986-1990) then Excel since its inception. I used it to create business tools that weren't available in the software marketplace with specific calculations and reports I used with a generally upscale clientele that wanted more in depth calculations run. I moved into the investment side of the business in 2018 and had the same trouble finding software capable of running the math my appetite for more advanced analysis was once again a problem. My duties are as a Asset & Portfolio manager for a small Private Equity Group focused in acquisition and long term hold of commercial income producing real estate. In an almost short story, I needed to calculate a specific mortgage-based calculation that just wasn't working within the context I needed so I came here to flush it out. Essentially, I am developing a spreadsheet that acts more like full functioning coded software but done in a way that I can use somewhat simplistic Excel formulae.

# Re: I need a formula to calculate a loan payment with additional principle added to accelerate payof

"Essentially, I am developing a spreadsheet that acts more like full functioning coded software but done in a way that I can use somewhat simplistic Excel formulae"

Do not think of Excel formulae as, in any way, 'simplistic'.  May sure you only use 365 and the formulas are expressed in terms of LAMBDA/LET combinations to create your 'apps'.  Though an individual formula may become more complicated, the overall complexity of the app reduces and the workbooks can be made far more flexible in the way they adapt to new datasets.

# Re: I need a formula to calculate a loan payment with additional principle added to accelerate payof

Hi Peter. I appreciate your comments and will take them into consideration as much as my technical capabilities will allow that is. I run a Private Equity Group focused in acquisition and long term hold of commercial income producing real estate assets with a reasonably strong Excel background building analytics for our group's acquisition model. It kind of comes down to knowing what I know and expanding that base as needed to solve specific needs. I am not at all familiar with LAMBDA or LET and it may not make sense for me to learn these new and I am sure better ways to use Excel given that I don't make money by the additional knowledge if I can get away with existing knowledge even if a bit antiquated by today's more advanced standards.

Either way, I do appreciate both your guidance and exposure to new ways to use my old friend, Excel!

# Re: I need a formula to calculate a loan payment with additional principle added to accelerate payof

First off, kudos to you for being a financial boss and wanting to pay off your mortgage faster. That's some serious adulting right there. Now, as for the formula, have you considered using Excel? You mentioned building entire spreadsheets to accomplish this, so I'm assuming you're familiar with the program. With Excel, you can create a formula that calculates the loan payment with the additional principle included.

# Re: I need a formula to calculate a loan payment with additional principle added to accelerate payof

While building spreadsheets can be useful for calculations, replicating hundreds or thousands of rows can be time-consuming and challenging.
One solution to consider is speaking with a mortgage broker in Worcester. They can provide expert advice and help you explore different payment options that suit your specific needs and circumstances. They can also help you navigate the complex mortgage management process and ensure that you make informed decisions that align with your financial goals.

# Re: I need a formula to calculate a loan payment with additional principle added to accelerate payof

I love Excel and its forefather Lotus 123 which I first used in 1986 before MS evolved from DOS to windows in the late 80s. The formula I asked for help on was but one small component of a rather large spread sheet that acts as the backbone to very detailed analytics I use to run complex commercial real estate calculations.

I run a Private Equity Group focused in acquisition and long term hold of commercial income producing real estate assets and use Excel more of an app than a simple singular calculation. I have set up a sheet that calculates acquisition math through post acquisition asset stabilization to conversion of acquisition financing to long term financing including the potential of using a multi-tier capital stack for some or all of the aforementioned stages.

Love Excel!!!

Douglas