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tistou
Super Contributor

Hello

 

1 - Since the .340 version, when I click on the button Restart (changes of an option in edge://flags/)
the browser closes but does not reopen (the Edge process is still running in the task manager)

 

2 - Possible to re-put the option to disable the immersive reader (as it was before) in edge://flags/ (or in edge://policy/ )

Easy to set up and everyone is happy :smile: 

 

3 - If "Browsing history" in edge://settings/clearBrowsingDataOnClose is enable, it causes the bug to have about:blank page when we open Edge before having the requested web page (shortcut, start page, clickable link, etc ...)

 

If the browser is already open, and I open a web page from a shortcut, clickable link from software, etc... I have the requested page directly in new tab (no about:blank)

 

4 - Always display bugs in text frames or clickable buttons of some sites

 

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Thanks for your great work

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Hi,
I've experiencing the first issue too (I thought it was only my system acting up).
enabled some flags but had to manually reopen the browser.

Windows 10 insider
Version 80.0.341.0 (Official build) canary (64-bit)

@HotCakeX 

 

Only "restart" it is fixed with Canary 344

Good,

about the 2nd one, it's not an issue, Microsoft finally decided to roll out immersive reader mode to everyone by default, just like in Edge classic.
features only stay in flags temporarily, after the tests are done and they are ready, Microsoft adds them by default to the browser.

3rd,
on startup settings edge://settings/onStartup , which one is selected?

4th, I'm also seeing it on latest canary.

@HotCakeX 

 

Thanks for the clarification

 

For the immersive reader, nothing is planned in the registry or policy to disable it (Chrome always this option) ?

And in flags, we can disable reading aloud, but not the reader, it's weird

 

For the 3rd (about: blank) I have the start page of my ISP
But I have this problem too when I click on a shortcut. But no problem if Edge is already open.
It looks like Edge is slowed down when I open the web page and it has appeared since some versions and Canary

 

Thanks

@tistou 

Google chrome has a very basic reading mode, called distilled web contents

 

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Always points 2, 3 and 4 with the latest version of CanaryCa would be nice if it could be "quickly" corrected, it's a little painful

How is immersive reader painful?

@HotCakeX 

 

The icon in the address bar :smile:
Having the choice to have it or not would be better

 

And I find this 351 less fast (less fluid)

in Edge classic it would appear on the compatible pages too, so nothing changed.
it's just a small button

@HotCakeX 

 

Yes of course, but I got used to not having it with old versions of Canary :hearteyes:

Always the problems and "bugs" with the latest version of Canary (81.0.366)
I do not know if the MS staff saw these requests and if they intend to resolve them or not

You'll get used to it ;)

@tistou Thanks for bringing those points with Canary to our attention! We'd love to get a better understanding of them, so it would be great if you can answer the following:

 

2 - Can you tell us more about when and how it would be helpful to have immersive reader disabled?

3 & 4 - Hmmm, interesting. Do you have access to Chrome Canary, and if so, do you encounter the same issues with about: blank and the lack of a "text" cursor?

 

And thank you, @HotCakeX, for your troubleshooting assistance on this thread and the other.

 

Fawkes (they/them)
Project & Community Manager - Microsoft Edge

@fawkes 

 

Thanks so much for your interest in this topic

 

2) I asked if it was possible to re-put the option in edge://flags to disable the immersive reader (as it was before)

There is always the option to disable the grammar of the immersive reader, but not the reader

 

3) No problem with Google Chrome (and no problem with Edge Chromium 79.0.309 that I recently re-tested)

 

4) No problem with Google Chrome (and no problem with the old version of Canary, before the .300 if I remember correctly)

 

Thanks so much

@tistou Thanks for your fast response. That's all good to know and I'll loop back with @MissyQ@josh_bodner, and the rest of the team to dig deeper into this.

 

Please let us know if you notice anything else similar!

@fawkes 

 

Thanks for your help
I like this browser and only use this one

@fawkes 

 

Hi

 

I tested the latest version of Edge Beta (79.0.309.54), same problem for the #4 (text frames) but it's ok for the #3 (about:blank)

 

If it can help you

@fawkes 

 

For #2 (immersive reader), there was that before in edge://flags

 

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If these options can be re put

 

Thanks

@tistou I'm glad to hear that the about:blank page has resolved! The flag for immersive reader disappearing is by design, we usually remove a flag once the feature is stable enough to be turned on for good. Can you tell us more about how having it again would be helpful? 

 

And the devs wanted to know if you had tried #4 in Chrome Canary? (Their Stable runs several months behind, so it's not always as helpful with diagnostic testing.)

 

Thanks,

 

Fawkes (they/them)
Project & Community Manager - Microsoft Edge

@fawkes 

 

The problem with about:blank is not resolved (in Canary)
This problem does not appear in the beta 79.0.309.54 version, but there are chances that when the beta version will be updated to 81.0.xxxx the bug is present (since it is present in the Dev and Canary version)

 

For the immersive reader, I think it would be better to have the choice to disable it for those who do not want it (it should be enable by default)
Users always prefer to use an apps, browser, etc ... where they have the choice of settings

As for the "Install App" option which no longer seems to be present in the "flags"

Or in edge://policy via regedit as Chrome

 

For the 4, no problem with Chrome Canary

 

Thanks for your help

I think we have to accept this that there are certain features that are part of a browser.
the reading view or immersive reader is part of the Edge browser, just like it was part of the Edge classic. it only shows a little harmless icon on the address bar and you mentioned earlier that your only problem is that you are not used to it, so i think it's better to give it more time to get used to it.
honestly there is nothing to get used to, it's not such a big feature.
the same applies to PWA app install notifications, they are implemented by website developers to offer users the ability to use their website easier, you can ignore or cancel it and it won't be asked again

@HotCakeX 

 

In the old Edge, the immersive reader icon was separate from the address bar and could be "hidden" (which is not the case with the new Edge)


For the "Install apps", even if I "cancel" it, the icon always comes back

It's not that it bothers me (me like others probably) it's that I like being able to hide / delete options that I will never use


At the beginning of Canary, there were more options for these settings, which I appreciated, there, gradually, these options disappear

Sorry i tried but i couldn't find the option to disable reading view in Edge classic, can you tell me exactly where i can find it?

that's weird, i never get PWA notification spams, when i choose cancel, it won't ask me again.
i go to Google Photos and there is only a + option on the address bar, no notification.
in Outlook it asked me to install app months ago when i reinstalled Edge canary but now it doesn't ask me again.

yes there were flags but they are always temporary so when a feature becomes ready, it is enabled by default and no need to use the flag to enable them.

@HotCakeX 

 

I don't remember, but it was a "Policy" (via regedit) I believe

 

Aa yes, just the + icon in address bar

And at each opening of outlook.com, where it says Install "next to the icon then it disappears

I wonder why it doesn't remember your choice when you cancel it

No change with the last Canary (.378)
We will end the year with these "same problems" :smile:

Hi

 

Happy New Year to you all :)

 

I re tested with Chrome, no problem with 3 and 4
For 2, the setting is present in Chrome, and is disabled by default

 

Thanks

2 is not a problem, it's a feature and of course Google doesn't seem to have the same interest into providing a reliable reading view mode like Microsoft does.

there are many chromium based browsers like Opera, Vivaldi, Brave etc, each having their own distinct features, you call them "problems" too just because you can't turn them off?

@HotCakeX 

 

Yes, not a bug but a suggestion

We wish we could turn it off, have a choice, in fact (like with other Chromium browsers)


@tistou wrote:

@HotCakeX 

Yes, not a bug but a suggestion

We wish we could turn it off, have a choice, in fact (like with other Chromium browsers)


 

Oh okay, Good thing that it's no longer called a bug ;)

so you wish you could turn it off,
I personally like to see it more often, in fact i even suggested before to make it a fixed button so we can turn any page we want into immersive reader move instead of Edge deciding that on its own, which is not very good at it.

 

@HotCakeX 

 

Always the same with 385

@HotCakeX 

 

Yes, maybe for the 2, but for the others, the "bug" is still present ;)

But what is a clear instruction to reproduce the #3?

It's been there for months, I haven't seen anyone else reporting the same problem.

@HotCakeX 

 

I don't know, all I know is that I don't have this problem with beta 79.0.309.54 and the other chromium (so it's a bug)
No doubt people don't pay attention

 

Being beta tester for some "apps", I probably pay more attention to this kind of problem

@tistou 


@tistou wrote:

I don't know, all I know is that I don't have this problem with beta 79.0.309.54 and the other chromium (so it's a bug)
No doubt people don't pay attention

 

Being beta tester for some "apps", I probably pay more attention to this kind of problem


 

Then how can you expect it to get fixed without a clear instruction on how to reproduce it?

I don't know about people but I think I pay enough attention, yet I can't even know what that problem even is because the explanation at top sounds vague.

 

@HotCakeX 

 

It would suffice, I think, to compare version 79.0.309.54 with current versions (changes made)
This is what I do when I debug a problem on a new version of software that I test

 

It is like the problem of the black framing on the text zones, this problem seems impacted that the French users (Windows French), I saw some people having the same problem on French forums

It's unclear because:
1. what is the problem exactly?
2. how to reproduce it? how to make it happen?

you're saying there is a problem but you don't say what..

you only wrote this:
"Since several versions of Canary, with each opening of the browser, it is first the about: blank url before having the right url (it slows down navigation)
The problem does not appear if Edge is already open (and the new page opens in a new tab"

each opening of the browser, it is the first about:blank page before having the right URL. at least try to reword that

@HotCakeX 

 

Yes, sorry for my englsih

 

The problem for the about:blank

If I open a web page, I first have a "about: blank" web page before having the requested page (start page, shortcut page, clickable link from software, etc...)

 

If the browser is already open, and I open a web page from a shortcut, clickable link from software, etc... I have the requested page directly in new tab (no about:blank)

 

I suppose that when Edge opens (version from 80.x), it opens by default on a blank page (about:blank) before opening the requested web page

Okay so when you open your Edge browser, instead of seeing the NTP, you see about:blank?
set the startup to open a new tab in here: edge://settings/onStartup

@HotCakeX 

 

My start page is www.free.fr

 

and about: blank appears for any web page
Even if I put the link of this forum for the start page, I have about:blank first

 

No problem if I put "new tab" for the start page, there is no url

 

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@tistou wrote:

@HotCakeX 

 

My start page is www.free.fr

 

and about: blank appears for any web page
Even if I put the link of this forum for the start page, I have about:blank first

 

No problem if I put "new tab" for the start page, there is no url


 

 

I tried it and couldn't reproduce it. Edge canary opens the page normally, no about:blank

this can't be a bug that is only happening to you because that wouldn't be a bug at all.

 

for these reasons:


1. If this was a Bug that was caused by controlled feature roll outs, which is the only factor that differentiates our browsers, it should have got fixed by itself by now.
look at the date, posted 11/22. it's 1/7 now. whatever experiment that was going on at that point in time is finished now.

 

2. there are most likely lots of people that set a custom page to open on startup instead of the NTP. it's a common thing. but there hasn't been any reports in the forum about this issue. can't be that everyone else is clumsy and you're the only one who pays attention :)

 

I also tried setting my Edge language to French, in case it was only happening to that locale, and using VPN to get French IP address, but still nothing, it was working normally.

 

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What's the version of your Windows 10?

 

 

 

@HotCakeX 

 

I don't mind that this is not an Edge bug
But then why don't I have the problem with beta 79.0.309.54 ?
Only the version of Edge is changed (everything else is the same)

 

Windows 10 Pro 1909 x64

 

My Settings

 

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You better fully uninstall your Edge canary and Dev if you have it too.
then during uninstall, check to remove all user data.
after that go to Edge's install directory and manually search for any leftovers, 3rd party programs can do this too.
I would clean install my OS too just to be sure (either using ISO file or from the Windows settings), the leftovers of previous Edge installs/uninstalls must be on other places too.

once you've done that, don't make any customizations to the OS or Edge, except for setting that website to load on start up.

you can try doing this in a Hyper-V virtual machine too.

@HotCakeX 

 

I had done my tests on a clean installation of Windows and installing Edge Canary and another clean installation of Windows with Edge Beta, to be sure ;)

 

After this problem is less annoying than the black border that appears on text frames, clickable links, etc... (problem 4)

When did you test it?

@HotCakeX 

 


@tistou wrote:

@fawkes 

 

Hi

 

I tested the latest version of Edge Beta (79.0.309.54), same problem for the #4 (text frames) but it's ok for the #3 (about:blank)

 

If it can help you


On 20 December

@tistou 

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@tistou wrote:

@HotCakeX 

 


@tistou wrote:

@fawkes 

 

Hi

 

I tested the latest version of Edge Beta (79.0.309.54), same problem for the #4 (text frames) but it's ok for the #3 (about:blank)

 

If it can help you


On 20 December


it says Edge beta 79, but you already said it doesn't have the problem of blank page on start up.

 

test it on a virtual machine, clean install of Windows 10, with newest Edge insider canary 81, that is where the problem is happening like you said. don't configure anything, neither in Windows nor in Edge, only set the URL to open at startup in Edge settings.

 

a video recording would also be appreciated

 

btw when i said i was using French IP to test Edge canary 81

 

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@HotCakeX 

 

I think I finally find the bug


If I enable "Browsing history" in edge://settings/clearBrowsingDataOnClose, I have about:blank

If I disable it, no more bug

 

If you can try to reproduce