Apr 09 2019 12:16 AM
From the old Edge I´m missing most is the Reading list function. I have used that from the beginning and it has been a lifesaver in my work. Please add it to this new Edge as well
Sep 26 2019 05:31 PM - edited Sep 26 2019 05:32 PM
I was using capital letters to point out parts of my argument that you were ignoring. Mostly the fact that I was specifically talking about offline availability of full site pages, which is what Reading list supports.
I had a friend of mine earlier today test out the export option on collections. It does not even come close to how offline mode works in reading list.
When you add something to the reading list, after a moment it will cache an offline copy of that page. You can then be offline (which I find myself in alot during my travels) and allows me to view the entire content of the page without any internet access at all.
Collections only provides a word document with a link to the online-only web page. This is not even close to the same thing as the reading list, which is what I, and several others before me were pointing out. Collections is not, and never will be, a replacement for Reading List, which is the most vital part of Edge for a person like me.
And BTW, there are several countries that do not have Word and Excel Online. Since you brought it up, most notably would be Iran, Sudan, and Cuba. There are several others. If you would like more information on this please visit the Microsoft Exports page located here. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/exporting/overview.aspx
You can also reference the Microsoft International Availability page to see which countries Microsoft software and services are available, and notice the lack of several nations from the list. (Word Online and Excel Online are covered under Office 365) https://products.office.com/en-us/business/international-availability
Sep 26 2019 07:56 PM - edited Sep 26 2019 07:57 PM
@Phillip Frabott
Phillip,
Having read the exchanges here about Reading List... I must say you are spot-on in regard to the Off-line part. When Reading List came to Edge, one of the very "big deal" aspects of it that excited people was the fact that its items could, still, be accessed/read whilst Off-line. Absolutely, you're dead right.
And thus another reason Reading List & Collections do not/can not equate. 2 different things, different functionality and reasons to exist. As previously stated, they don't belong in the same conversation, BUT, Reading List DOES belong in Edge C!
Cheers,
Drew
Oct 01 2019 10:56 AM
Oct 01 2019 10:58 AM
Oct 01 2019 11:26 AM
They will have to make Collections work very closely like how Reading List does. Unfortunately in it's current state (even ignoring offline for the moment), it doesn't. When exporting, it doesn't export a copy of the web page, only a link to the web page. They will have to have to be sure that collections, if replacing the Reading List, works exactly as reading list works today, no exports, no extra software, just Edge, with full offline page downloading. This is my point of contention. It doesn't. Now, if they are planning to make a radical shift in how collections works, and it can be done in a single click just as reading list does, no clunky interfaces, no having to specifically choose from a long list of collections, no having to set up special offline collections, it just works without extra setup, then that's fine. I just don't see that happening, at least not any time soon.
My response about countries was mostly related to your notion that every country had it (meaning 100% of all countries on planet earth). I figured you were not aware that this wasn't the case. Either way, it doesn't change the fact that I and most of my colleagues do not have access to Office Online because our company specifically bans it from use. We are only permitted to use installed Office Products which my current position does not allot to me at this time. I should never have to buy or use extra software for built-in features, which collections would have to do if it is to replace Reading List. I'm still with the others that these two features are separate and should not be combined.
Oct 01 2019 11:36 AM
Oct 01 2019 11:58 AM
And there in is the reason for all of my posts. To voice concerns. But I've been around Microsoft long enough to know they they do not do a very good job at listening to people. Only years after something has been made do they finally add things in. An example would be Groove. They never did add all the great features Groove had to SkyDrive/OneDrive. To this day, OneDrive is missing 80% of the features.
Let me just ask you HotCake, what makes you think that Collections is/can be a replacement for Reading List? Why do you want it to be a replacement? Why do you not want to have them as separate features? You've been very vocal about reading list being consumed by collections but you really haven't explained yourself. So I'm asking.
Oct 01 2019 12:11 PM
Oct 01 2019 12:22 PM
Now your speculating on what I'm saying. I'm not saying that at all. In fact, I've already said previously (read up) that collections has a place in Edge. I just don't believe that it serves the same purpose as reading list. In fact, I find them to be very disconnected features of Edge. One has nothing to do with the other.
Just because they "can" roll 2 features up together, doesn't mean they "should". In fact, since the vision that Microsoft has already alluded to about what they think collections is, shows that it does not have a place with reading list (or vise versa if you prefer). The vision of each feature is different. Trying to force collections to be something it's not (reading list) will not only destroy the fundamental value of what collections is, but will also try to force reading list to be something it is not. The "old" Microsoft went this route for many of their products and it ended up in failure. My hope would be the "new" Microsoft will have learned the lessons of old, and not repeat themselves. If Reading List is to be replaced with Collections it will be evident that Microsoft still has much to learn. (learn about the failures of Internet Explorer and it's full history to understand what I mean)
I will also make an assumption (since I don't have much to go on other then your own words) that you haven't been around Microsoft long enough. Give it time. You'll figure out they don't listen very often.
Oct 01 2019 12:43 PM
Oct 01 2019 12:46 PM
Oct 01 2019 12:49 PM
"Sent from Windows Mobile" - Your making me jealous! I miss my Windows Mobile!
Oct 01 2019 12:50 PM - edited Oct 01 2019 12:52 PM
@Drew1903 wrote:
Phillip,
You know we are on the same wavelength. As I had said, they don't belong in the same discussion. They are 2 distinctly different animals with different reasons and purposes. Reading List MUST be in Edge C, having nothing to do with Collections.
It's not a war game where you are trying to team up lol, we are just peacefully talking about tech.
Oct 01 2019 12:51 PM
@Phillip Frabott wrote:
You and I will just have to agree to disagree.
I don't really agree nor disagree, I just simply pointed out the possibilities that could happen.
Oct 01 2019 01:09 PM
Nov 05 2019 05:19 PM
It would seem that they have GA scheduled for January 2020. And reading list is nowhere to be seen. Disappointing. I'm hoping the "new edge" is not forced to replace the old edge. This feature must be in edge.
But honestly, it doesn't surprise me that they didn't put this in. As I've said before, Microsoft fails to listen to it's users.
Nov 05 2019 08:55 PM
@Phillip Frabott
Phillip, it is there, in a manner of speaking, recently. Go to Import under Favorites & you can select & bring over your Reading List from Edge. Mine WAS in Other Favorites, but, I moved it into the Favs Bar... made it so I could be rid of Other Favorites.
Cheers,
Drew
Nov 06 2019 12:18 AM
@Phillip Frabott wrote:
It would seem that they have GA scheduled for January 2020. And reading list is nowhere to be seen. Disappointing. I'm hoping the "new edge" is not forced to replace the old edge. This feature must be in edge.
But honestly, it doesn't surprise me that they didn't put this in. As I've said before, Microsoft fails to listen to it's users.
Hi,
The first stable channel release of the new Edge insider is is January 15, true. but that's not the date when it is going to replace the Edge classic automatically and forcefully.
Microsoft will use a later date to do that, most likely when Edge is more feature rich.
Nov 06 2019 12:21 AM