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Drew1903
Trusted Contributor

Sync Collections now can be turned on in Canary

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Cheers,
Drew

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Um it could be turned on since Weeks ago but because of the fact that it was and it still is part of the controlled feature roll out, you are just seeing it now.
I know it's very bad and confusing experience..not having the same access to the same set of features even when two users are using the same channel :(

@HotCakeX Is Collections sync supposed to work now, though? A couple of weeks ago it was in fact working (and really fast too), even though Favorites sync was disabled. Today, Collections no longer sync in latest Canary.

And of course, Favorites are not syncing either. Is the browser going to launch on Jan 15 with all sync disabled? That would raise a few eyebrows.

@dvdwnd 


@dvdwnd wrote:

@HotCakeX Is Collections sync supposed to work now, though? A couple of weeks ago it was in fact working (and really fast too), even though Favorites sync was disabled. Today, Collections no longer sync in latest Canary.

And of course, Favorites are not syncing either. Is the browser going to launch on Jan 15 with all sync disabled? That would raise a few eyebrows.


 

That's right, the last thing Microsoft wants is bad first impression, because first impressions are important. not everyone are enthusiasts like us, majority of people want something to just work properly and they won't just wait for it to get good, they just switch browser. seen it lots of times by my eyes.

collection and collection sync is a big no for the first stable release, version 79.

but favorite syncing, which has been available since launch, must work.

 

I don't currently have Beta channel installed, but as far as i know, the favorite sync problem is only affecting Dev and Canary channels. the Beta (RC) channel shouldn't be affected by it.

 

if you have Beta please try it

@HotCakeX Previously I only had the Beta on one PC, but I installed it on a second so I could see that sync is in fact working quite well there. After years of sync fiasco in Edge, it's quite comforting to see it working, although there are imperfections. Why, for instance, is it still disabled in the other channels?

I also noticed that the Tabs Set Aside folder wasn't syncing. Neither its contents nor its location relative other folders. The same goes for Favorites I move out of the Tabs Set Aside folder - they stay on the browser they were created on.

 

Edge has a lot to prove before I rely on it for storing links again, so every little thing makes me hesitate.

Microsoft must be testing something new for favorites syncing in Edge and they are doing it on Dev and Canary channels while keeping Beta channel stable until the experiments are finished and the result is ready and stable enough to be pushed to lower channels like Beta.

Yeah Edge classic had its own sync servers and logic, they are creating the sync from the ground up for the new Edge

@HotCakeX Heh, I just upgraded the Canary version (81.0.369.0) and got all of my hundreds of doubles back - both on Canary and Beta. Stuff I deleted long ago is now back. There is no sign of any attempt to merge doubles, as was mentioned in a blog post, but I have to resort to an extension to clean this up, but why should I bother? Deleted Favorites have always come back and multiplied so far, and why should it be different this time?

 

It's 2019 and implementing Favorites sync is still a Hard Computer Science Problem.

 

And there goes all hope that this mess will be fixed by January 15.

Canary and Dev have problem with sync, but Beta should be good.
Oh don't mix Beta and the other 2 channels, you will get bad results.. :o

fortunately they put it on the list
"Favorites sync issues, including sync not working, deleted favorites reappearing, and favorites being duplicated"
https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/Discussions/Top-feedback-summary-for-December-17/m-p/1075891

but with holidays, christmas everything coming up, i don't know how there will be enough time to fix this in December

anyway, use this extension to get rid of your duplicates automatically
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/bookmarks-clean-up/oncbjlgldmiagjophlhobkogeladjijl

@Drew1903 

 

I posted about collections being available a month ago on this post here .

 

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Still have it today...

 

Dennis5mile

@Dennis5mile Has sync been working for you all this time, though? I also have the little blue check mark, sync was working for a while, but no more.

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Controlled feature roll out, not available for everyone..
even now after 1 month, it sometimes turns off for me when connecting to VPN.

@HotCakeX I guess I "crossed the beams" long ago, since I only have a single MS account for testing this kind of stuff.

As things are looking, it would take a Christmas miracle for New Edge not to launch in a half-finished, half-broken state.

Me too,
Yeah, the new Edge could definitely use a couple more months in the experimental channels before it's released to stable channel.

@Drew1903 Ahhhh! Thank you so much for noticing! We have turned this feature back on in our Canary channel, but are still working on bringing this to our Dev channel. I'm sure you're used to this broken record phrase, but sync is absolutely our top priority right now.

 

If there's anyone in here who is currently on Dev, please sign out of your browser and sign back in. Let me know if you see favorites sync enabled under ... > Settings > Profiles > Sync

 

Missy Quarry (she/her/hers)
Community Manager - Microsoft Edge

Hi @MissyQ thanks for the good news,

so favorite sync is back up, does it mean that the problems mentioned in here:
https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/Discussions/Top-feedback-summary-for-December-17/m-p/1070731

Are fixed now?

"Favorites sync issues, including sync not working, deleted favorites reappearing, and favorites being duplicated" - planned for December

 

 

@MissyQ The sync options are there and enabled alright, but nothing is working better than before you disabled sync. I've got all three channels installed on 2 PCs (Dev only on 1), and can see Canary and Beta sort-of syncing the same set of Favorites, but Dev isn't syncing any. Collections have stopped syncing completely.

However, all the problems that caused you to halt sync are still there: Ever increasing amount of duplicates, deleted Favorites reappearing, some Favorites not syncing at all etc. It looked better for a while when I only had the Beta channel syncing with itself between two PCs, but everything went back to "normal" when the Canary channel updated just now.

 

So, can we have some information on what is going on?

Are you talking about Fav sync? Yeah it has been on for a bit now, was off, but then back on, but not totally sure how long, but I noticed it a few days or so ago that it was on......

Dennis5mile

@HotCakeX Yes, those two items in particular should be resolved, but I see in a follow up comment above that we may still have things to sort out.

 

@dvdwnd Appreciate you following up here! Have you signed out and signed back into the browsers? If you have, try clearing out the duplicates that you see in only one of the browsers. That should clear up what you're seeing after syncing again, but if it's not I want to hand that over to the right people. :)

 

Missy Quarry (she/her/hers)
Community Manager - Microsoft Edge

@MissyQ I get a bit worried when I hear that you think you've fixed the duplication problem. This is what I did:

  • Signed out of all 5 installs (same MS account, 2*(Can+Beta) + 1 * Dev)
  • Signed in on one Canary again.
  • Deleted hundreds of duplicates using the extension suggested by @HotCakeX, as I've done many times now.
  • Signed in on one Beta install - duplicates now reappear on Canary, and remain on Beta.
  • Signed in on the remaining installs - all duplicates are still there. Collections not syncing between the two Canary installs.
  • While signed in everywhere, deleted all duplicates again with the extension on one of the Canary installs.
  • The other 4 installs now sync (!) and have almost the same set of Favorites.
  • Tried signing out/in again - Favorites stay the same (for now).

Now, there is no trace of the duplicate deletion feature that was mentioned in the blog post - I have to use a tool to delete them. We'll see if this lasts, because I had all duplicates reappear yesterday when I installed a new Beta.

To sum up:

  • Good: Favorites are syncing across all channels, and pretty fast too.
  • Bad: Duplicates must be removed manually, and display order of Favorites is slightly different between installs. Tabs set aside and Collections don't sync at all.

After literally years of Edge sync woes, it will take some time of glitch-free use before I definitely call this "fixed". Maybe it is, or maybe I'll have all duplicates appear once more. Fingers crossed!

 

Tabs set Aside don't sync?
but that feature isn't even on the new Edge (Chromium) to begin with...

 

Thanks for testing the favorite syncing, so basically it's all the same as they were 5-6 months ago..

@HotCakeX I should be more clear - if you had any tabs set aside in Classic Edge, they are put in a Favorites folder called Tabs set aside at install time, but this folder won't sync. Even if you move items out of that folder, they never sync. I wonder if that is what is causing the slight ordering differences between different installs, since you don't have the exact same set of items on different devices to begin with.

As for the situation being identical to 6 weeks ago, I don't really know. If deleted Favorites no longer  return when I update any of the installs (which used to happen), I guess it's an improvement. One thing I did notice during my experiment last night was that if not all browsers were online when I deleted duplicates on one install, they would return as I signed in. I have to do some more testing to see if this is true for any new Favorites.

Quick follow-up: Last night all 5 installs had more or less the same Favorites, no duplicates (after me deleting them for the n:th time). I made some modifications in the Beta and then - bam! - all duplicates returned on the Dev channel. Where did they come from? Furthermore, the sync button is now disabled on that browser (wasn't last night), so they're not (yet) spreading to the other browser instances. But when sync is enabled again...

 

I'd say the situation is pretty much as before.

 

I also made some experiments to see what happens if you sign out of a browser or disable sync. I learned that every time you re-enable sync or sign in, the set of Favorites will be come the union of what you have on that browser and the others that were signed in. That is, any deleted Favorites (on the signed-out or signed-in browsers) will return, and any renamed will be duplicated. This doesn't appear to happen if I just close the browser, but I'm not 100% sure that there isn't some background process left. I guess that's good to know. There doesn't seem to be any delta tracking while sync is disabled. What if sync is disabled because of network problems? I don't know yet, but it's soon Christmas and I'm ready to be pleasantly surprised.

Oh, well they are the same as favorites, just on different folders.
i have lots of folders too, doesn't matter what name they have, they must be treated the same.

not 6 weeks ago but 6 months ago. or better yet, just like when Edge browser first launched.
I never had a stable sync, from the day 1 the favorites were duplicated when i used Edge on different devices at the same time.

so in a nutshell, we aren't doing anything wrong, it's only the Edge sync engine Not working as it is supposed to.

I moved all my favorites to google chrome 2 months ago when I lost a huge number of my favorite entries. I had lost some favorites before that as well but this time it was too many.
I lost them because I thought Edge was syncing them to the servers, successfully, because Edge was showing green icon that everything is syncing correctly.

so since then, I have to keep google chrome as a side browser on my computer, just to store my favorites safely on it, and I use Edge insider canary for my daily browser.

I'm saving my passwords to LastPass extension so i can use them on any browser without having to worry about their sync problems and whatnot.

I've been looking for a similar extension, like LastPass, but for favorites, so i could use it to store my favorites in one place and use them in multiple browsers and devices, so far I couldn't find any decent extension that does it.

@HotCakeX You're absolutely right - Favorite sync on Edge has been a dumpster fire for years. IE11 on Windows 8 had its share of problems, but as I remember it, sync worked flawlessly.

I have had all my Favorites and Reading List wiped on all but one device (where sync has been permenently broken) - twice! - on Legacy Edge. The problems in New Edge are slightly different in nature, but it's clear that you can't trust the browser to store links for you and need a backup plan.

 

Taking a step back, Favorites/Bookmarks are a very 90's thing, and just like organizing your email into neat folders is a waste of time, so is probably also bookmarking pages of interest. Links rot, so solutions for more short-lived links like Reading List, tab and history sync are probably more useful. However, they also require a working sync engine, and Favorites sync is a good litmus test for how reliable the underlying tech is.

 

My Favorites collection is now a disorganized graveyard that I use for testing only. Pages I like to keep go into OneNote (so it doesn't matter if they 404), and Sticky Notes can be used for short-term link storage etc. Your Phone and Timeline mostly work for handing off between devices. At no point do I rely on Edge for handling links, which makes you wonder why I just don't switch to another major browser (and maybe also get some more relevant ads thanks to better tracking).

You're doing good job using OneNote because once you find something useful on the Internet, you can't be sure if it will be permanently on that server.

I still have high hopes for the new Edge, I'll even give it a year to fix its sync problems before I get disappointed

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@MissyQ 

"If there's anyone in here who is currently on Dev, please sign out of your browser and sign back in. Let me know if you see favorites sync enabled under ... > Settings > Profiles > Sync. ", Missy

Missy, I did this ⬆ and, still, no, not On nor available; toggle is not live.  Same for Collections in Dev, also.

Cheers,
Drew

It is still a controlled feature roll out thing
For me, in Dev, Collections is on, but not Favorites. In Can everything is on except the 3 that are "Coming Soon".

Dennis5mile

@Dennis5mile 

That's nice, same

Version 81.0.377.0 (Official build) canary (64-bit)

 

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@Dennis5mile  @MissyQ 

Dennis,

So it goes w/ these Controlled Roll-outs.  As I said, (my) Dev does not have Fav or Collections (yet) whilst, (my) Canary does have Collections, but, still, not Favs.

Cheers,
Drew

Hope the developers figure it out in the remaining 15 days so people won't get duplicate favorites or favorites not syncing on their systems.

@Drew1903 Just wanted to hop in here and let you know that not everyone will have it, but thank you for the update! We're still working hard on getting this resolved. :)

 

Missy Quarry (she/her/hers)
Community Manager - Microsoft Edge

@MissyQ 

Yes, and that was/is, really, my point of 'status reports'.  Good to have indicators (data) on who, where, how many as the situation is addressed & the work is done on it.  AND sometimes whatever behavior changes* which, is critical to know, as well, of course.  For example, seemed, Favs repopulating was fixed, yet, some are reporting it, currently.  Good Folks being aware that features AND fixes don't always, necessarily go to every device simultaneously; a good thing to remind, periodically.  A good caveat, Missy.

* I had it after the certain update and causing NO PROBLEMS; More lack of universality :xd:  Only without it (now) since Team disabled it while looking into the issues it caused for some other Users.  


Cheers,
Drew


I think there needs to be a proper website for Edge insider where it is clearly described which features are available for everyone and which features are still part of the A/B testing.
currently everyone should ask in the forum why they don't have a certain feature and it gets confusing