04-08-2019 09:25 AM
04-08-2019 09:29 AM
04-08-2019 09:29 AMSolution
04-08-2019 11:20 AM
@Elliot Kirk One of the things that I dislike most about Chrome is the inablilty to open and pin my favorites list to the right-hand side of the browser, just like you can in IE and now Edge. Open your favorites once and it is always at hand. No extra clicks to open a new tab, no extra clicks to open a folder from the favorites bar.
04-10-2019 04:08 AM
Yes please, can't understand how people live with how Chrome handles bookmarks.
Look at Firefox for example and add something similar. (Added screenshot)
Also please don't add too many buttons to the UI unless we can customize everything like in Firefox. Already tired of the profile and feedback button in the top right corner. Buttons you rarely ever use and they just clutter the interface. Could easily be added to the hamburger menu.
04-11-2019 03:50 AM
@Elliot KirkWe definitely need the favorites system from the old Edge with the menu next to the address bar and the really nice larger font/graphics on the pull down menu. The way Chrome handles bookmarks is atrocious and it's one of the top reasons I don't use Chrome. This is a nice way to differentiate yourselves from Chrome, otherwise you are going to have a lot of users ask themselves why bother with the new Edge if they can just use Chrome.
04-11-2019 07:16 AM
@Elliot Kirk Everyone in this thread seems in favor of this idea, but I mentioned in another thread that I didn't love how cramped it felt. Since this seems to be a popular request I'd like to share some additional thoughts.
Maybe if the sidebar's size could be adjustable it would feel less cramped. Also in Edge Stable the sidebar is used for a lot of things including settings and extensions (although those are not a part of the sidebar interface used for Favorites/Reading list/Books/History/Downloads, but rather they were their own individually separated sidebars). Edge Stable felt like it had less in terms of settings where Edge Canary as of writing today feels like it has many more options (which is great by the way!) and I feel like trying to cram that many options into a small sidebar, especially if it can't be resized or popped out into a full size tab/window would feel really clostrophobic.
I like that in Edge Stable the sidebar can be pinned, but without being able to resize it or pop it out to a full size tab/window the sidebar in Edge Stable wasn't pleasant for me personally. Hopefully since the sidebar interface seems so desired it can be improved on if it is implemented into the new Chromium based Edge!
04-11-2019 08:58 AM
04-11-2019 12:56 PM
04-11-2019 12:56 PM
I agree. Hate to admit it, but I feel how EdgeHTML handles/displays favorites/bookmarks is far superior. I know it's all a love-hate type of thing. But it's one of my top personal preferences for using IE or EdgeHTML over other browsers.
I totally forgot about it, until I looked at this new version and got completely frustrated. Now this is a GUI type of thing (I think), so I personaly believe that MS should consider sticking with with the same layout as they have done. If person doesn't like how it's done, there are other browsers to choose from (which is a good thing).
Sometimes trying to apease EVERYONE isn't a good thing, sometimes you end up alienating a majority just to placate a vocal minority.
04-17-2019 10:23 AM
04-17-2019 10:23 AM
Edge is based on chromium so ellipse [ . . . ] (top right of address bar) is where all access to all functions are based. Since new Edge (dev) is based on chromium, that is where ALL "setings," "history," "favorites, "extensions," "downloads," etc will be located in the "new" Edge.
It uses the ellipse to be visually compatible with chromium/Chrome instead of the dual "dueling icons." Less busy, one access point, simpler, easier.
04-17-2019 02:39 PM
That would be a huge shame if MS left out the way the old Edge handled bookmarks, IMO that's one of the absolute top reasons I used it over other browsers. To have to dig into menus just to get to a bookmark, especially if I'm doing a lot of browsing is inefficient, inelegant and very frustrating at best. I've always hated how Chrome handles bookmarks this way. Instead of being simpler, as you put it, it just makes more work.
I also hope MS isn't trying to be visually compatible with Chromium/Chrome, I would hope they take their browser in the direction they want to instead of just being a clone, otherwise they are going to have a hard time convincing existing users to switch to their browser. Differentiation is where it's at, and that's a big reason why most of us chose the old Edge as our browser of choice.
04-17-2019 02:52 PM
04-17-2019 02:58 PM
04-17-2019 03:28 PM
"That is one of the biggest flaws that the "original" Edge got wrong? " I didn't say that, or are you saying that? The way favorites/bookmars were handled was one of the great things that HTML Edge got right. It was efficient and elegant and miles ahead of what Chrome and Firefox still have today.
"No easy, good way to manage favorites was built-in. And the 3rd-party favorites manager's were horrible at best." I beg to differ, HTML Edge's favorites/bookmarks built in system was excellent, easily the best among all browsers.
"Ctrl+Shift+O opens the Favorites manager. EZ." That's an awful way to navigate favorites/bookmarks IMO. It's not a terrible way to actually manage them, although I would opine that just dragging and dropping through HTML Edge browser was much simpler. But to have to press Ctrl Shft O and open a new page EVERY single time I wanted to navigate to a favorite is just awfully involved.
"The old Edge was adopted by too few people and was unsuccessful. Google kept messing with how web-page rendering functioned and made Edge less than optimal, so the move to Open-Source chromium to eliminate that problem." Completely agree, but that has very little, if anything, to do with what we are talking about. In just a week or so of using Chromium Edge I think it's great. Just to expound on HTML Edge's low numbers I really doubt that a complete Chrome clone will sway many users to switch to Edge, especially if Google uses MS's code for smooth scrolling/zooming. If I'm going to be subjected to an inefficient way to handle my favorites I might as well stay with Chrome.
04-18-2019 01:56 PM
I have several hundred bookmarks. I don't use Edge and instead use FireFox only because it fits those bookmarks tightly on the left side (reduced mouse movement and similar to Adobe Acrobat Table of Contents setup). Plus it's easy to manage those bookmarks via dragging.
I'd sure like to use Edge but without that pinned bookmark pane...it's not in the cards.
04-18-2019 08:37 PM
Sorry, I think we're talking about different things? Favorites display vs. Favorites management?
Edge Favorites display was good IMO, not great.
New Edge still easy to add favorites, access Favorites Bar and "Other"Favorites.
Edge Favorites management was horrible and not intuitive. Drag and drop worked but wasn't responsive, sluggish and inaccurate, IMO. That's why there were attempts to develop third-party apps to manage Edge Favorites. Power user's could use admin tools, but that's not a typical user.
The "Hub" is what every one seems to miss but the New style ellipse, or hamburger menu icon gives you most of what was on the Edge Hub. anyway? OK change the link icon to the "Hub" icon but keep chromium menu, it is cleaner design and keeps everything in one place. I never used Reading List or Books? Add 'em if you want.
Edge was adopted by a very, very small share of Windows users. Ranged between 8-12% generally. Edge dev and Edge canary are "developmental" and datametrics will guide UI development. I think the team will add Reading Pane, Fluent Design (likely) and many other features in the weeks ahead.
I liked Edge, I used Edge (along with other browsers to stay fluent with their UI, etc). Edge wasn't adopted. Google messed with Edge rendering. Edge adoption hit a plateau, or was droppimg. Using chromium rendering puts the New Edge browser in the mainstream and, bonus, open-sourced. Less likely to be messed with by the "Not Evil" Empire. Better extension base, too.
04-19-2019 05:02 AM - edited 04-19-2019 05:03 AM
Yes you're right, my mistake. Favorites display from HTML Edge is what I'm advocating. Fully agree that HTML Edge Favorites management was abyssmal. Favorites management in chromium Edge seems ok and an improvement. Still needs the ability to select multiple favorites when moving or deleting, especially because the import system stupidly shoves all your imported favorites into its own folder instead of respecting the layout you had on the source browser. Also needs to respect dark mode.
This would have been ok in HTML Edge if MS didn't needlessly hide the location of favorites. There was a decent favorites management app that I used that wasn't half bad, but I forget the name of it at the moment.
04-19-2019 02:14 PM
04-20-2019 08:29 AM
04-20-2019 01:34 PM
@JamesSantaBarbara Yeah definitely agree. HTML Edge would have had decent bookmarks management if MS just didn't hide the location of the favorites in file explorer, I really don't know why they make stupid decisions like this. I'm assuming favorites are still hidden in chromium Edge, I haven't been able to find them at least.
04-26-2019 06:00 AM
04-27-2019 10:24 AM
04-27-2019 10:24 AM
Although I have been mistakenly referring to "settings" menu as the primary access pint for Favorites, etc., I correct this as the primary access point should be the "hamburger?" menu, or ellipse [ . . . ].
Is the "ellipse,' [ . . . ] actually called a hamburger menu? I thought a hamburger was 'stacked?' Or is the ellipse called a hamburger menu now the standard?
The 'Other Favorites" folder on menu should be retitled to "Favorites" so as to reduce the confusion as to what is accessed. "Manage Favorites" should be at the top of that drop-down menu and the "Favorites Bar" should be included for easy access points.
05-12-2019 01:16 AM
05-12-2019 01:16 AM
My English is bad. Sorry.
I've been using the new chromium edge for a couple of weeks now. It is still in its infancy but it has a very interesting future.
I have read all the comments about the favorites and I agree with many of them.
Good management of favorites is fundamental. Neither chrome, nor firefox do it well (they make it horrible). I still use IE11 as much as I can for this reason. Neither the current Edge improved the management of IE11 favorites.
For this reason, I consider it fundamental, in order to differentiate itself from Chrome and Firefox, that the new chromium edge itself allows a good management of favorites as did its two predecessors (Edge and IE11).
My support to return a management like that of IE11 (or similar) to the new edge chromium.
P.D: I found the extension "Neater Bookmarks". I do not like it but it is the closest thing I have found to what I need.
Hola a todos:
Mi ingles es malo. Lo siento.
Llevo un par de semanas utilizando el nuevo edge chromium. Todavia esta en pañales pero tiene un futuro muy interesante.
He leido todo los comentarios acerca de los favoritos y estoy de acuerdo con muchos de ellos.
Para mi es fundamental una buena gestion de los favoritos. Ni chrome, ni firefox lo hacen bien (lo hacen horrible). Sigo utilizando el IE11 todo lo que puedo por este motivo. Ni el Edge actual mejoro la gestion de favoritos del IE11.
Por ello, considero fundamental, para diferenciarse de Chrome y firefox, que el propio nuevo edge chromium facilite una buena gestion de favoritos como lo hacia sus dos antecesores (Edge e IE11).
Mi apoyo para que vuelva una gestion como la de IE11 (o similar) al nuevo edge chromium.
P.D: He encontrado la extension "Neater Bookmarks". No me gusta pero es lo mas parecido que he encontrado a lo que necesito.
05-25-2019 03:04 PM
05-27-2019 04:19 AM
05-27-2019 04:19 AM
@Deleted Yes we need that. Choosing between "Always / Never / New tab" is certainly not an adequate option. I'd suggest to plop a drop-down button next to the plug-ins icons, in the right top side.
06-07-2019 01:31 PM
06-07-2019 01:31 PM
I also agree with this. I've enjoyed the chromium version a lot, but I miss the favorite button from the old Edge that you could just press and then everything was there, now you have to search with the hamburger bar or have a bar at the top that steals screen estate like back in 2000.
06-07-2019 01:55 PM
This is my one hangup with all browsers except Firefox, and a reason I stay with Firefox. I have the ability to put the Bookmark toolbar items alongside the URL bar. I have one folder called bookmarks that is an easy drop-down. It saves precious vertical space as I do not have to have the bookmark bar.
There are Chrome extensions that mimic this somewhat, but they look and run terribly. Get the ability to do something like this and you'll have 1 permanent Edge user.
06-12-2019 02:50 PM - edited 06-12-2019 02:54 PM
06-12-2019 02:50 PM - edited 06-12-2019 02:54 PM
@Deleted totally agree!
@Elliot Kirk The current Edge handling of Favorites is far better than Chrome's and Edge Dev or Canary (I use both for testing).
I also want "Favorites Bar" to be just one entry ("folder") under Favorites, not to subsume all Favorites. That's ridiculous and frustrating! I mean this is a Borg menu -- "Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated -- into the Favorites Bar". I mean, C'mon! :D
06-13-2019 07:02 AM
.The Chrome variety of browsers keep the bookmarks in a database buried in the OS. It is impossible to actually manage the bookmarks outside of the browser as in IE- 11 browser versions and before. Simply having a way to access the bookmarks to make changes directly from the file explorer would be a huge benefit to us business managers keeping tabs on hundreds of bookmarks for our company. Using a drag & drop management from a sidebar is just not efficient to users with a sizeable number of bookmarks.
And speaking about placement of the sidebar. I speak English and most Western language speakers read & write left to right. The natural eyeflow is left to right. Placing the side panel with favorites on the right side interrupts the way Western readers think. I suppose it's ok of those who read right to left, but all studies show efficiency and cognitive retention go with the movement of the eyes. New teachers and instructors learn that first semester.
That said, if a switch could be placed in the Settings menu to flip the side panel from one side to toe other, that would greatly help efficiency for the individual user and how his cognitive brain works.
07-12-2019 02:44 PM
07-12-2019 02:44 PM
Another request for getting the favorites button back from classic Edge.
It was one of the things that made edge a lit better than chrome on a tablet.
- On a tablet I don't have screen-space to waste so a bar is out of the question
- On a tablet I can't expect to have a keyboard either so no keyboard shortcut can be used
Therefore the "old" button is needed. If the display of the button can be controlled through a setting it would please both the ones that wants and whose that don't like the button.
On a longer term I would like to see all of that toolbar - it makes Edge unique - nót just a Chrome clone.
08-11-2019 01:06 PM
08-11-2019 01:15 PM
08-11-2019 01:24 PM
08-11-2019 04:45 PM
@Ries van Moorselaar @Elliot Kirk
Elliot, here in this thread is more, again, speaking to wanting things that are part of (current) Edge... its toolbar icons, and Favs handling that make it special & cause people to like it & use it. Set aside, Add notes, Favs et al, Share. AND ellipsis things opening as fly-out panels NOT, changing to another page. We are given to understand all this IS going to be in Edge C. Point is, it is easy to see, from threads likes this, the large number of Users who VERY much want these Edge things to continue to be Edge things. We keep reminding Folks we are in early stages. But, it is understandable they can be 'nervous' when they are not seeing these items that they feel are absolute parts of Edge. It must be given attention & respect that there is a liking, a preference for (current) Edge style & approaches to things. There are Edge Features, that concern people when they seem to left by the wayside. Stuff not even listed under "Coming soon", makes the concern understandable, also, in regard to this (same) bunch of stuff being mentioned & addressed, again, in yet another thread. Can improve the under the cover guts, but, having Folks without things they like, use & want is not/would not be an improvement the majority want.
Theses things may well be coming, still, the re-occurring similar comments & sentiments are not surprising (until they are seen). And it clearly shows MANY are VERY passionate about having what has come to be viewed as "Edge things"... not Edge without them... not the Edge people know, like & want to have consistency of Features & Functionality as we transition to a new version. As long as this is taken seriously by the Team, Folks should end up with an appealing, exciting product.
08-12-2019 08:55 AM
I fully agree.
Without those buttons - it's just a chrome lookalike
With them - A better browser that combines a rich pluggin store with the quality of the classic Edge Gui.
Right now I have two things that blocks a switch from classic edge.
* The favorites button
* The ability to block webpages (Youtube) from hijacking the right click menu. For this I have found a dirty workaround - sending IE agent string
08-12-2019 09:08 AM
08-12-2019 01:04 PM
There are a number of "Edge" things which, the Team has been hearing about (from Insiders) for quite a while. The message conveyed has been that it is all coming, though, may come piecemeal. And, it has been alleged that it will all be there by, actual, release time (non-beta). Obviously, there are heaps of people hoping this comes to pass. (Since we keep hearing the same (missing) things mentioned repeatedly. Reckon the Team surely must be hearing the same things (from us) and are acting on it. (We hope).
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