Jan 13 2020 11:55 AM
Jan 13 2020 11:55 AM
Hi Insiders. We have received a whole lot of feedback on the overall design of the next version of Microsoft Edge. First off, we would like to thank you all for the feedback that you have submitted. We also want you to know that we are continuing to evolve the look and feel of the new Microsoft Edge. You can see our progress in our new icon, in the changes to dark theme, on the layout of the settings pages and in the style of the controls that we have added so far. Our goal has been to modernize the next version of Microsoft Edge while keeping the feel of the original. In the five years since we released the first Microsoft Edge browser with Windows 10, the Microsoft Design Language has and will continue to change and adapt. We have been evolving our user interface with this in mind and may be the first place you see some of these changes. We are planning on continuing to apply elements of the Microsoft Design Language to align with other Microsoft products.
We are thrilled with how much you think about the look and feel of the new Microsoft Edge browser. As we dug into the feedback, we found different ideas lumped together into very broad buckets and felt like we needed to re-sort the issues into new categories that are more specific to the actual issues that were being discussed. The previous categories that we have been reporting on are:
The first step of this journey was to dig into each of the feedback items individually and understand what your ask was, and if there was a reason listed for the feedback. This helped us better understand why you are asking for these changes. The next step we took was to recombine the feedback and sort it into more specific buckets. We understand change is challenging, and we are not changing our interface just to be different. We have been working closely with our designers to get a look and feel that aligns with our Fluent Design language and meets our standards for usability and accessibility. It is our goal for our design to be easier to use on a daily basis. When you provide feedback, it helps us to challenge our assumptions and makes us reanalyze our conclusions.
Based on this analysis, we are seeing the following themes emerge from your comments: we will be tracking and following feedback in these categories going forward:
We would love to start talking about these items now. Please let us know if you think that we are on the right track with the changes we have made so far. The most impactful feedback is that which lists the task that you are trying to accomplish, the challenges that you face while accomplishing it, and your ideas on how it could be made easier. Also, feel free to reach out if you think that we have missed something important here. We will always take feedback and suggestions to help us make this the best, fastest, most productive browser possible.
Jan 13 2020 12:17 PM
Great categorization job!
I want all of the above
my only problem is the one in red color.
please don't implement it or if you are going to implement it, make it optional. I really love the current size. it would be best if you add a slider in Edge settings, for scaling down/up those UI elements.
bigger UI elements and address bar is one of the big reasons why I love new Edge and hate Google chrome.
on Google chrome everything is too small.
Also add Transparent or Acrylic theme to be one of the Edge browser themes to choose from.
Jan 13 2020 01:36 PM
@Elliot Kirk Thanks very much for this post, very helpful to understand how the team is thinking about the changes and its impact to users.
For "The address bar and text are too large," I would love to see the spacing between my icons (both extension and Edge) become much more similar to that of Chrome. For me, it's a little clunky when it's so spread out.
Thanks for the consideration!
Jan 13 2020 03:39 PM - edited Jan 13 2020 03:41 PM
Great job guys. I'm digging the way the new edge is coming together.
I sent feedback regarding my only concern which was the way the close, maximize, and minimize buttons have been shortened compared to the original edge. The shortened buttons don't do a good job with the alignment of the UI.
Regardless, though, keep up the good work!
Jan 13 2020 04:51 PM - edited Jan 15 2020 11:55 AM
@Elliot Kirk Thank you for kickstarting this discussion! Here are my thoughts.
Thank you for reading all our feedback and keep up all the good work!
Jan 13 2020 07:56 PM
Fluent or not isn't important to me.
But there is a important thing, do not "simulate" UWP controls within Win32 application, use real UWP controls like old Edge are acceptable.
They will looks same at first look, but not really same due different code base, that's really bad experience, difference size, color, animation, also different behavior on user inputs (click, keyboard press), this happened in other Microsoft produce, like Ribbon UI inside Windows Explorer and Office series application.
But, Please allow hide cast to device option in right click menu, it is totally useless and the longest item in menu.
Jan 13 2020 11:20 PM
Jan 14 2020 12:53 AM - edited Jan 14 2020 01:06 AM
I really like that you guys are talking about adding transparency to the titlebar, making the text in the omnibox smaller and making the tab band smaller on non-touch devices.
I don't care for the reveal effect. The only thing related to animations I care about is this bug: https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/discussions/animations-on-buttons/m-p/1095476
Every time I look at the roundup of common feedback, I wonder what people expect when they ask that the interface be updated to align with Fluent. The Fluent Design language seems everchanging.
I hope that the window buttons are made square to fit in with Windows 10 and I also hope that the spacing between extension icons is reduced. I'd also really love a scrollable tabstrip like Firefox. I think that the rounded/stadium-shaped InPrivate badge doesn't suit Edge. I don't mind how round elements in Edge are and prefer it over Chrome anyway. What I do wish some changes would be made on are the global media controls and the html forms controls. There are also inconsistencies with that dropdown and the one found in the immersive reader.
Edit: Just remembered! There's a bug with tooltips. Some popup from random windows, even if they're minimised. Aura tooltips don't have a shadow. "Zoom" in the ellipses menu isn't greyed out and could look like a button. and there's this: https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/discussions/dev-channel-update-to-81-0-381-0-is-live/m-p/1105...
Jan 14 2020 03:17 AM
@GrahamJockey I fully agree, having the ability to only see certain UI elements on hover would greatly decrease overall screen clutter if done well. Having the ability to auto-hide the favorite bar for example would be a great addition.
The auto-hide feature could also allow for more UI elements to be enabled (such as side panels) and would be an effective way to further develop functionality while maintaining an overall clean and de-cluttered aesthetic.
Jan 14 2020 03:37 AM - edited Jan 14 2020 03:59 AM
A summary regarding sizing things:
- Have a resizing slider for *all UI elements*
(not each one individually, just *all*. These are incredibly useful in my experience and can possibly follow font size.
- Option to autohide the browser UI elements when in fullscreen,
as in classic edge or Office. (rather than hide them completely as in Chrome--though that should remain an option)
- Option to shrink UI elements as the mouse moves away
or when scrolling down for touch users.
(IDEA: add proximity sensors to the top of the new surface devices, so that when your finger comes close to the top bar, it enlarges. The touchscreen in my midrange car has had this since 2015)
- Have different spacing options for touch and for mouse,
as in Windows 10 and Office. (literally just a toggle, nothing too complicated for the end user)
I think this should make everyone happy when it comes to the size of things (touch users and mouse users are comparing apples to pears in the size debate.) and when it comes to the workspace real-estate debate.
That aside, the light effect under the mouse is crucial, I think it's fantastic!
Jan 14 2020 06:19 AM - edited Jan 14 2020 06:21 AM
I think this one is easy: Windows should be consistent. You have a default toolkit in Windows called WinUI, that should be available to UWP and Win32 apps alike this year. Microsoft Edge should look juste like that. Same size, same animations, same rounded corners, same behavior.
Opening a WinUI app and Edge side-by-side should show the same scrollbar, the same buttons, the same tabs, and the same fluent design animations if possible. It should feel native.
Anything else is inconsistencies for the user.
Jan 14 2020 08:04 AM
Jan 14 2020 08:17 AM - edited Jan 14 2020 10:24 AM
Please, please, please make the InPrivate button blue, just like how it was in IE and classic edge. It looks so much better and more appealing if the color wasn't the same as chrome's. It's harder to see it in dark mode too, if it was blue it would be more noticeable.
Jan 14 2020 12:46 PM
I want to have the same transparency I can get on Windows Terminal in Microsoft Edge
This is literally my biggest wish
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