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Hi Insiders. We have received a whole lot of feedback on the overall design of the next version of Microsoft Edge. First off, we would like to thank you all for the feedback that you have submitted.  We also want you to know that we are continuing to evolve the look and feel of the new Microsoft Edge.  You can see our progress in our new icon, in the changes to dark theme, on the layout of the settings pages and in the style of the controls that we have added so far. Our goal has been to modernize the next version of Microsoft Edge while keeping the feel of the original. In the five years since we released the first Microsoft Edge browser with Windows 10, the Microsoft Design Language has and will continue to change and adapt.  We have been evolving our user interface with this in mind and may be the first place you see some of these changes. We are planning on continuing to apply elements of the Microsoft Design Language to align with other Microsoft products.

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We are thrilled with how much you think about the look and feel of the new Microsoft Edge browser.  As we dug into the feedback, we found different ideas lumped together into very broad buckets and felt like we needed to re-sort the issues into new categories that are more specific to the actual issues that were being discussed.  The previous categories that we have been reporting on are:

  • Update the user interface with the Fluent Design System
  • Make tabs more square and less rounded, like the current version of Microsoft Edge
  • Provide a transparent theme for the browser frame
  • The address bar and text are too large

The first step of this journey was to dig into each of the feedback items individually and understand what your ask was, and if there was a reason listed for the feedback.  This helped us better understand why you are asking for these changes.  The next step we took was to recombine the feedback and sort it into more specific buckets.  We understand change is challenging, and we are not changing our interface just to be different.  We have been working closely with our designers to get a look and feel that aligns with our Fluent Design language and meets our standards for usability and accessibility.  It is our goal for our design to be easier to use on a daily basis.  When you provide feedback, it helps us to challenge our assumptions and makes us reanalyze our conclusions.

Based on this analysis, we are seeing the following themes emerge from your comments: we will be tracking and following feedback in these categories going forward:

  • Ability to add distinct color or color themes to the main browser interface.
  • Add transparency or other material effect to the main browser interface.
  • The corners of the tabs and browser buttons have been rounded too much.
  • Make the tab band and address bar / toolbar smaller if device doesn’t support touch capability.
  • Update or add animations to user interface.
  • Add a reveal effect to highlight on mouse hover.

We would love to start talking about these items now.  Please let us know if you think that we are on the right track with the changes we have made so far. The most impactful feedback is that which lists the task that you are trying to accomplish, the challenges that you face while accomplishing it, and your ideas on how it could be made easier. Also, feel free to reach out if you think that we have missed something important here.  We will always take feedback and suggestions to help us make this the best, fastest, most productive browser possible.

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Hi@Elliot Kirk 

Great categorization job!

 

I want all of the above

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  • Ability to add distinct color or color themes to the main browser interface.
  • Add transparency or other material effect to the main browser interface.
  • The corners of the tabs and browser buttons have been rounded too much.
  • Make the tab band and address bar / toolbar smaller if device doesn’t support touch capability.
  • Update or add animations to user interface.
  • Add a reveal effect to highlight on mouse hover."

 

my only problem is the one in red color.

please don't implement it or if you are going to implement it, make it optional. I really love the current size. it would be best if you add a slider in Edge settings, for scaling down/up those UI elements.

 

bigger UI elements and address bar is one of the big reasons why I love new Edge and hate Google chrome.

on Google chrome everything is too small.

 

Also add Transparent or Acrylic theme to be one of the Edge browser themes to choose from.

 

 

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@Elliot Kirk Thanks very much for this post, very helpful to understand how the team is thinking about the changes and its impact to users.

 

For "The address bar and text are too large," I would love to see the spacing between my icons (both extension and Edge) become much more similar to that of Chrome. For me, it's a little clunky when it's so spread out.

 

Thanks for the consideration!

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@Elliot Kirk 

Great job guys. I'm digging the way the new edge is coming together.

 

I sent feedback regarding my only concern which was the way the close, maximize, and minimize buttons have been shortened compared to the original edge. The shortened buttons don't do a good job with the alignment of the UI.

 

Regardless, though, keep up the good work!

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@Elliot Kirk Thank you for kickstarting this discussion! Here are my thoughts.

 

  1. Ability to add distinct color or color themes to the main browser interface.
  2. Add transparency or other material effect to the main browser interface.
  3. The corners of the tabs and browser buttons have been rounded too much.
  4. Make the tab band and address bar / toolbar smaller if device doesn’t support touch capability.
  5. Update or add animations to user interface.
  6. Add a reveal effect to highlight on mouse hover.

 

  1. Seems like a legit request, although I'm fine with the way it is now.
  2. Many people seem to ask for a transparency effect on the title bar akin to that of old Edge, but I was never too fond of that, especially in dark mode, because depending on what is behind the window it can look quite ugly. Since most people (I assume) usually run the browser maximized anyway, there is little value to derive from transparency up there, especially on such a thin strip. In addition, it seems that Microsoft has been backtracking on background acrylic lately. The Fluent Design guidelines actually don't intend it for NavigationViews anymore - as can be seen in the removal of background acrylic in Feedback Hub and Your Phone beginning with 1903. It's also gone from search in 2004 (unfortunately). Now don't get me wrong, I do like acrylic very much, including background acrylic in apps such as Calculator. However, I think what would be more appropriate for Edge would be the same effect that both Safari on macOS and the Microsoft Store itself have - in-app acrylic on the title / address / favorites bar area that shows website content underneath as you scroll up. It makes the entire interface feel more connected, looks good and is much more dynamic and lively than having plain background acrylic there. EDIT: Context menus (and the ... and favorites menus) are other places where acrylic would make sense.
  3. I don't agree with this, in fact it seems entirely consistent with the current Fluent Design guidelines as far as I can tell. Except for the InPrivate badge, that one is way too rounded, for some reason.
  4. I think it's perfect as it is. You could always handle this like Chrome where one can change the size of this area - in fact, you could make it even better by adding a user-facing option for this instead of hiding it behind a flag. But if it has to be one or the other, I'd rather keep it the way it is now. I never thought I needed more space up there (even with the favorites bar enabled) and it feels more comfortable with some non-excessive height than when it's tiny and squished together.
  5. I'd always dig this.
  6. I'm fine with the way it is now, but I guess it'd be consistent with other places of Windows, so it seems like a legit request.

 

Thank you for reading all our feedback and keep up all the good work!

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Fluent or not isn't important to me.

But there is a important thing, do not "simulate" UWP controls within Win32 application, use real UWP controls like old Edge are acceptable.

They will looks same at first look, but not really same due different code base, that's really bad experience, difference size, color, animation, also different behavior on user inputs (click, keyboard press), this happened in other Microsoft produce, like Ribbon UI inside Windows Explorer and Office series application. 

 

But, Please allow hide cast to device option in right click menu, it is totally useless and the longest item in menu. 

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Agree, like the old size like Beta version, it's too small in Canary
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If its market share you're after, I don't know how much these changes will help. I liked the old edge UI -- I really did! -- but I think most people (not necessarily the ones that contribute to this forum) just want to feel like they're still in Chrome. In fact, I like that it is basically Chrome plus a few features, and I think other adopters would also like that. (Imagine opening Chrome except that it's more beautiful and has a scrollable tabstrip?!)

That said, there are obvious changes that could be done, such as a scrollable tabstrip, scrollable address bar (it's ridiculous that there is no scrollable address bar without first going in to edit the text), ability to make windows narrower, all the things that old Edge did better.

I think, for the sake of workspace size, that there should be an *option* to autohide [certain elements of or all of] the top bar, or an *option* to make it smaller until the mouse comes close. Perhaps one could choose how they want their full-screen UI, whether autohide as in old Edge and Firefox; or as it is now -- as it is in Chrome.

I also think the size slider for all UI elements is a good idea, or just two or three options as there is in office.

Why not make a few animations or UI samples as gifs and ask people to vote?
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I really like that you guys are talking about adding transparency to the titlebar, making the text in the omnibox smaller and making the tab band smaller on non-touch devices.

I don't care for the reveal effect. The only thing related to animations I care about is this bug: https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/discussions/animations-on-buttons/m-p/1095476

Every time I look at the roundup of common feedback, I wonder what people expect when they ask that the interface be updated to align with Fluent. The Fluent Design language seems everchanging.

I hope that the window buttons are made square to fit in with Windows 10 and I also hope that the spacing between extension icons is reduced. I'd also really love a scrollable tabstrip like Firefox. I think that the rounded/stadium-shaped InPrivate badge doesn't suit Edge. I don't mind how round elements in Edge are and prefer it over Chrome anyway. What I do wish some changes would be made on are the global media controls and the html forms controls. There are also inconsistencies with that dropdown and the one found in the immersive reader.

 

Edit: Just remembered! There's a bug with tooltips. Some popup from random windows, even if they're minimised. Aura tooltips don't have a shadow. "Zoom" in the ellipses menu isn't greyed out and could look like a button. and there's this: https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/discussions/dev-channel-update-to-81-0-381-0-is-live/m-p/1105...

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@GrahamJockey I fully agree, having the ability to only see certain UI elements on hover would greatly decrease overall screen clutter if done well. Having the ability to auto-hide the favorite bar for example would be a great addition.

The auto-hide feature could also allow for more UI elements to be enabled (such as side panels) and would be an effective way to further develop functionality while maintaining an overall clean and de-cluttered aesthetic.

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Hi again,

A summary regarding sizing things:

 

 - Have a resizing slider for *all UI elements*

 

(not each one individually, just *all*. These are incredibly useful in my experience and can possibly follow font size.

 

 - Option to autohide the browser UI elements when in fullscreen,

 

as in classic edge or Office. (rather than hide them completely as in Chrome--though that should remain an option)

 

 - Option to shrink UI elements as the mouse moves away

 

or when scrolling down for touch users.

(IDEA: add proximity sensors to the top of the new surface devices, so that when your finger comes close to the top bar, it enlarges. The touchscreen in my midrange car has had this since 2015)

 

 - Have different spacing options for touch and for mouse,

 

as in Windows 10 and Office. (literally just a toggle, nothing too complicated for the end user)

 

I think this should make everyone happy when it comes to the size of things (touch users and mouse users are comparing apples to pears in the size debate.) and when it comes to the workspace real-estate debate.

 

That aside, the light effect under the mouse is crucial, I think it's fantastic!

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@Elliot Kirk 

 

I think this one is easy: Windows should be consistent. You have a default toolkit in Windows called WinUI, that should be available to UWP and Win32 apps alike this year. Microsoft Edge should look juste like that. Same size, same animations, same rounded corners, same behavior.

 

Opening a WinUI app and Edge side-by-side should show the same scrollbar, the same buttons, the same tabs, and the same fluent design animations if possible. It should feel native.

 

Anything else is inconsistencies for the user. 

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Your reply is spot on. Someone else pointed out the scroll bar isn’t even the new scroll bar with chevrons that we see everywhere else in Windows.
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@Elliot Kirk 

Please, please, please make the InPrivate button blue, just like how it was in IE and classic edge. It looks so much better and more appealing if the color wasn't the same as chrome's. It's harder to see it in dark mode too, if it was blue it would be more noticeable.

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@Elliot Kirk 

I want to have the same transparency I can get on Windows Terminal in Microsoft Edge

 

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This is literally my biggest wish

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Please don’t change the toolbar/address size. It’s perfect as it is. I prefer the new Edge over Chrome because of that :)
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It's really hard to read if there are a lot of text... Acrylic style looks nice in components like title bar or sidebar like Windows settings application, but really terrible if something make it's content transparent like this
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I agree that the design should be more fluent. While I agree with some criticism that the old edge was kind of ugly, I think that that was mostly due to bad proportions and lack of polish. Reincorporating acryllic and reveal will really help make the new edge stand out and appear more modern.
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I agree with most of the proposed changes. But I think think the new edge is the perfect amount of round.
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1 Add transparency or other material effect to the main browser interface.
// For sure this is what we wanted! make it look more close to legacy edge!
2 The corners of the tabs and browser buttons have been rounded too much.
// Actually it's not a big deal, I love the current semi-rounded tabs and buttons (Google Chrome for example uses even more rounded elements)
3 Make the tab band and address bar / toolbar smaller if device doesn’t support touch capability.
// Don't sure at all that there are any problems with the size of address bar
4 Update or add animations to user interface.
// Refresh tab movement animation like in legacy edge
5 Add a reveal effect to highlight on mouse hover.
// Sure add this! this makes browser more alive
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yes, the current size of address bar is ok!
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In the screenshot i set the transparency level to highest but Edge will need something less transparent/acrylic to keep text readable, you know, just like in Edge classic :)
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If consistency with Windows 10 was the main spec, this debate would come to an easy resolution.

But I'm currently using edge on a Macbook at work.

 

For the sake of users on other platforms and users who don't really care for Fluent (which are many) please proceed slowly and thoughtfully. Many users, once they get a whiff of the old edge UI, will immediately proceed to download chrome.

 

Maybe try to make it consistent with Office suite at first, since many people are already used to it.

 

UI features (not just design language) and accessibility, gestures etc. are going to be more important in getting users to give Edge a try.

Put a pause button on the tab card, like you do with the Win10 taskbar, for example, and people will give the new Edge a second look.


Personally, the more I can use Fluent on my Macbook at work, the better -- but I know not everyone agrees.

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@HotCakeX Ooh, that transparency would be so cool in the entire top bar and in the edge://urls !

 

Or even imagine the entire browser was somewhat transparent, basically like a transparent dark mode! Heads would turn all over the office, not even joking!

 

Even as crazy as it is, I think it would be fantastic as an option!

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@Elliot Kirk I love the way you categorized the feedback on the topic. Please implement all of them. Would love to see them being implemented in the new Microsoft Edge. :hearteyes:

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Well, I'll keep it short but simple.

  • Ability to add distinct color or color themes to the main browser interface.
    • OK
  • Add transparency or other material effect to the main browser interface.
    • This, just like the Settings-page of Windows 10. Implement it in Edge tabs and especially the address bar so that the content is somewhat blurred into it when scrolling.
  • The corners of the tabs and browser buttons have been rounded too much.
    • For me the tabs are too rounded, especially when the Edge window is not maximized.  Browser buttons are fine for me.
  • Make the tab band and address bar / toolbar smaller if device doesn’t support touch capability.
    • The length of the address bar is way too stretched. Should be something like macOS Safari browser, or make is at least customizable in length. Although the address bar can be less stretched when add-ons are displayed right next to it, I like it minimal without seeing the add-ons buttons and so for me right now it's useless space.
  • Update or add animations to user interface.
    • Animations for sure. For example, the blue indicators in the Settings of Edge are not animated when changing category. This is animated in the Windows 10 build-in app Windows Security and Microsoft Store (bit different, but same idea). The blue indicator slides very nice and smooth to the selected category/menu. Strange this nice effect is still not updated in Windows 10 Settings itself.
    • Also: swipe to go back or forward (with touchpad or finger for example) should have the same swipe effect as in the legacy Edge (very nice and comparable with macOS Safari), moving the whole page all together. Right now when swiping back or forward there is a very ugly arrow in some blue rounded circle visible on the side. 
  • Add a reveal effect to highlight on mouse hover.
    • Should be smooth and directly implemented in the whole Windows 10 GUI if you ask me.
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@GrahamJockey  

 

Spoiler

A summary regarding sizing things:

 

 - Have a resizing slider for *all UI elements*

 

(not each one individually, just *all*. These are incredibly useful in my experience and can possibly follow font size.

 

 - Option to autohide the browser UI elements when in fullscreen,

 

as in classic edge or Office. (rather than hide them completely as in Chrome--though that should remain an option)

 

 - Option to shrink UI elements as the mouse moves away

 

or when scrolling down for touch users.

(IDEA: add proximity sensors to the top of the new surface devices, so that when your finger comes close to the top bar, it enlarges. The touchscreen in my midrange car has had this since 2015)

 

 - Have different spacing options for touch and for mouse,

 

as in Windows 10 and Office. (literally just a toggle, nothing too complicated for the end user)

 

I think this should make everyone happy when it comes to the size of things (touch users and mouse users are comparing apples to pears in the size debate.) and when it comes to the workspace real-estate debate.

 

That aside, the light effect under the mouse is crucial, I think it's fantastic!

Hi there,

 

I totally agree, especially when it comes to the requirements for touch-users (like me) vs. mouse-users, which are extremly different. Your idea of resizing (or even better: auto-hiding) the UI elements when scrolling down on tablets sounds pretty cool. I would like to have that, but only as an OPTION. 

 

That said, auto-hiding the UI in fullscreen mode is already implemented on Dev and Canary using edge://flags/#edge-enable-shy-ui , but sadly this only works with mouse and pen, but not with finger touch. MS, please add this function for touch-users too, we really need it. 

 

Generally, I can understand the wish for smaller UI and transparency, but again only as an OPTION. I still remember with fear when the virtual keyboard (SIP) became transparent in Win 1803 and therefore completely unusable for me until it was reverted back. 

 

From a touch-users point of view, I have an additional (and as I think important) request regarding the tab size: 

  • if you have about 25+ tabs open, they become too small to use and I often close them accidentially
  • also at this tab size you can't see the content anymore (only the close button) and have to guess and try multiple times to find the right tab, because you can't hover with the finger like you do with the mouse

To avoid the above, please make the tabs a fixed minimum size and then scrollable like in Edge Classic, that would be a big improvement.

 

Thanks and keep up the good work.

 

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Make downloading UI like in Edge Classic / IE12
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Yeah the main UI and on the settings page, like how Edge classic is
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Acrylic and Reveal are my hugest desires
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@Elliot Kirk Thanks to you and the team for taking so much care about the feedback from us. I'm there since day one of the new Edge and so far it is a thrilling ride! I'm fully acknowledge the main points you've listed, but other than that I really want the Fluen Design back. So far the new Edge still looks too much like Chrome. I just want that the new Edge gets its own identity in terms of look & feel and fits much better into Windows 10 and the other Microsoft apps.
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@Elliot Kirk 

First of all I would like to say that the black color of the old EDGE is better than the beta versions, which makes the browser better, as I am not a creative professional I prefer to be surprised by you, but I would like to expose my preferences.

I'll leave an example of something beautiful I found in Deviant art, Link: https://www.deviantart.com/innocentdalek876/art/Fluent-Design-Concept-New-Tab-Sets-and-Edge-Dar-7503...

1 = Title bar should be translucent, may have a blur if you want
2 = I would like to see the browser more rounded, not much, because it inspires modernity.
3 = animations while doing certain actions, eg open settings or vertical bar of preferences.
4 = hidden bookmarks bar.

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@Elliot Kirk All sounds good but I am unsure why the address bar size needs to be changed, especially as the Ease of Access features and display settings for Windows 10 overall are now so flexible.  I don't notice any major difference in this between using Edge Beta on my main Windows 10 machine and Edge Dev on my MacBook.

 

The rounded 'In Private' button looks so out of place.

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@Elliot Kirk 

I think you are on track with the changes you have made so far. The corner rounding looks good, and it is in line with the future of Fluent Design. It's, what, a four-pixel radius? Looks modern and pleasant, unlike Google's super-round corners that look juvenile. The tabstrip and URL bar size are also good, in my opinion. The menus and icons in particular look great—so much better than those in Chrome.
 
But the main point I want to make is this. While it's good to consider user feedback, don't fall into the quicksand of making MS design "democratic." You hire designers for a reason. Design consistency is more important than trying to please everyone. Make MS design consistent across apps and throughout Windows, which so far, it has not been. Rely on your designers, and when you have your design language teased out, implement it everywhere with ruthless consistency. Don't treat your various apps as guinea pigs ("We'll try one design for Mail, another for Groove, and another for Paint 3D and see what people like").
 
I really like where things are going. The new icons, with their color and bit of texture, look really nice. The white menu backgrounds (on light theme) look really nice too. Keep it up and don't get bogged down. Your billion users won't all agree. Be confident.
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Dear Elliot Kirk and the Edge development team,

First of all, thank you for making this post! I'm sure I'm not the only person who is relieved and excited to see that you're all finally ready to discuss Fluent Design in detail. After all, Fluent Design isn't just the package that Windows applications come in - it's the way everything is accomplished between the user and the browser.

 

I want to lay down a few pieces of groundwork before I respond to the specific statements you've put forward.

First off, I will try my best to explain only my own desires for the future of Fluent Design in Edge. There are some people that would probably want Edge to feel familiar, similar to Google Chrome. There might be other people who are only interested in how the New Edge can be made to look and feel like the Old Edge. I cannot speak for these positions. I do not have adequate insight into why people hold those positions or what specific benefits those design philosophies would have. I also do not have the resources to be able to determine what camp is largest or most important to making Edge a success "with the masses". As I cannot tell if I am speaking for the masses, and I can't tell whether I am part of the masses, I must speak only for myself. My position is that Edge should "be new" and that it should fit well with the operating system it is installed on.

Second, I want to define Fluent Design in my own words. I believe this is important because my definition of Fluent Design might be very different from other people's. With the emphasis that I have personally put on design languages in the past, I've had the subconscious feeling that "design languages are everything." With the amount of feedback I've been writing to the Edge team, I've realized that this just isn't true. Fluent Design defines how apps look and how apps are laid out, but it does not define what an app can do. For example, Fluent Design says that the Set Aside Tabs feature should slide out from a side panel, and the button for it should turn blue. However, Fluent Design doesn't say whether or not Edge should have a Set Aside Tabs feature. Given this, I won't use this post to ask that any particular feature be added to Edge.

 

With that lengthy introduction down, let's get to responding to the topics set forth in Elliot Kirk's post.

Why Insider Edge should look Fluent

Fluent design makes it obvious that an app isn't just made to run on Windows 10, but that it's made to fully take advantage of features like Timeline, Share, and Focus assist. Apps like Your Phone and Calculator feel better to use in Windows 10 than apps like Microsoft To-Do or File Explorer. This has nothing to do with the age of the app; To-Do recently got a UI makeover while calculator was one of the oldest apps to get the Fluent treatment. The determining factor is fluent design. Even though I spend most of my time in this browser, I am also familiar with how the rest of the preinstalled apps look. Those apps define Windows 10 for me. When I booted up Edge Canary on release day, the first two things I said to myself was "wow, that was fast", and "wow, it looks like Chrome." I think Microsoft Edge is supposed to be the crown jewel of the operating system.  Edge Canary still feels like it was developed primarily by Google, and it doesn't fit with the rest of Windows 10. What task am I trying to accomplish with Fluent Design's theme? Fluent Design is the official Microsoft stamp of quality and compatibility for Windows 10. I also like the shiny, glass look of new apps like Your Phone more than the flat, google-style look of Edge.

 

This whole paragraph brings up a good question: how should Edge look on other operating systems? Well, I can't answer that. I don't have any experience with Mac OS, and Linux doesn't really have a "style", so I don't know if it would be better to have a Fluent style to bring home the fact that "this is a Microsoft product" or if it would be better to have a style that matches the OS to say "this software was made special, just for this environment".

 

 

There is another big part of my desire to see Fluent added to Microsoft Edge Insider. I believe that Insider Edge should react Fluently. Fluent design is about efficient, capable design. Open up the old version of Edge, and open up the latest version of Edge insider. The design choices in Classic Edge have two big advantages: You can do more with less, and you can do things more easily.

What do I mean by doing more with less? Well, when on a simple website like google.com, Classic's right click menu has only 4 items. Edge Insider has 9. There are a bunch of extra, unnecessary things in Edge insider's context menu! Some things are already easy to access from the address bar; others should stay in the Settings and More menu. This applies to a lot of the things Edge Insider inherited from Chrome. Why do we need a profile button in the address bar? Why do we need a New Tab button in the Settings and More menu? Classic Edge has so many more features than Edge Insider: Set Aside Tabs, Tab Previews, Inking on Webpages... and yet it feels way less cluttered because every tool has a specific place to be. In Edge Insider, every tool tries to be everywhere, and it just bothers me.

You shouldn't forget that Classic Edge also lets the user do things more easily. The Edge Hub combines History and Favorites into a side pane that can be pinned open. Edge insider has a massive dropdown menu for favorites. Maybe middle or right clicking on those favorites will keep the dropdown menu open, but a dedicated "pin pane" button takes out the guesswork. This isn't a unique situation: Edge Insider kept Google's Find in page popup menu; Classic Edge has an entire row worth of features and adjusts the tab size to accommodate it. Google's Fullscreen mode just has an X when you move the mouse to the top of the screen; Classic Edge pulls down the entire Edge tab and address bars.

The genius layout of Classic Edge is why I liked that browser and why I wanted to see it improve. I said it before, and I'll say it again: Classic Edge runs horribly on my PC. Smooth scroll doesn't work, rearranging tabs around used to crash it, and Youtube just wouldn't pause for a full 10 seconds when clicking the button. The layout of the features included was what made Edge good, and the pairing of that layout philosophy with the speed and reliability of Google Chrome was why I was, and am, excited to see the development of Chromium Edge. I am extremely happy to see the edge development team prioritize reliability in this version. I've had to reinstall the Your Phone application about once a month now, and that app is missing a back button if you shrink the window too small, but I haven't had any major crashes or usability hurdles (I mean, besides sync) with Edge Canary in recent memories. This is a multi-platform daily build vs a so-called stable version on one OS! It's something to be really proud of. However, I don't want to see Edge to launch looking or feeling like a Google browser plus some things that could have been extensions. If a stable chromium release came out tomorrow, I'd love it because I know how reliable this browser is. However, if a stable Chromium Edge came out tomorrow and I hadn't been using Edge Canary for a year already, I would download it and say "Well, this is just Chrome but with collections and read aloud tacked on. What were they doing for the last year?" So, what is the task that I am trying to accomplish? I want a browser that looks like it was made by Microsoft, and a browser that is easy to use (no more dropdown list for favorites!) and well laid out so that things are easy to find (no more bloated right click menu!)

 

@Elliot Kirk 

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I personally really like the slightly rounded buttons. That tabs being square would probably look better but Fabric UI (which I'm guessing is being used) is really nice compared to the normal UWP Fluent design. But acrylic/transparency is a must :D
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I would like to:
Pin Favorites/Bookmarks to the right/left as in Edge and IE11.
Have the ability to edit, rearrange, open, etc. them while pinned

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Yes, Fluent Design is URGENTLY needed! Ever since you guys added effects like Acrylic and Reveal to Edge, mainly in the April 2018 update of Windows, that design has become a symbol of Edge and makes it its own browser and unique, and beautiful. It just doesn’t feel like Edge without them.
We need:
Acrylic on the header, Reveal on tabs and buttons in the browser, and just bringing back some old designs from the old edge like the old vertically-expandable tab view, and add acrylic to that. Basically just bring back everything important that you removed. Because without the stuff, it’s not the Edge we know.
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This is false. They are partially backtracking with it, but Search missing acrylic was just a bug and is now back in the latest build. Also, acrylic is a key part of Edge’s design that makes it Edge, unique from other browsers. We NEED BG Acrylic. The “backtracking” needs to stop!
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Me too. And we had it before, but the darned new Edge had to remove it! I really hope that they add it back. Edge needs it BAD.
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Acrylic in Title Bars, Menus, and Tabs.
Reveal Effects.
Animations.
These are basic effects we’ve had in the old Edge that when removed, only make it less visually appealing, less hierarchical, less unique, and overall not as good. Anyone saying things like “we should have this but not that”, is promoting the act of inconsistency, which is not something to promote. In my opinion, the new Edge should have all of the Acrylic, Reveal, and animations the old Edge has, while mostly retaining the current layout of the new Edge. With WinUI and XAML Islands there is absolutely ZERO reason this isn’t possible except to procrastinate. We need a consistent and beautiful design. We had one, then you removed it. Stop! Please add it back.
That’s my take on this.
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Good catch about the latest build. However:
"We fixed an issue where the Search window wasn’t showing acrylic at the top."
It mentions only the top, so removing it from the rest of the search UI may actually have been intentional. I'd hope it isn't but even in that case, it's probably to stay as it is for all of 2004's lifetime. But alright, let's forget about search.

Acrylic is a part of Edge's design but I don't think that needs to be background acrylic. The in-app acrylic I suggested would still make it stand out among all other browsers on Windows while (in my opinion) looking much better. So I disagree that Edge needs background acrylic. Acrylic would suit it well (another place it would be good is all the context menus) but not necessarily background acrylic in my opinion.
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In app acrylic on the title bar would simply be white or no acrylic, because only the desktop (or whatever is behind the window) is behind the title bar, NOT the website you are browsing. That is even broader than Edge, that is simply how title bars on Windows work. For title bars to use in app acrylic I think it would require recoding by the Windows team, which I doubt will ever happen. Also, in app acrylic makes things look on top rather than behind, and the title bar should look behind not on top because it is not level 1 in the hierarchy, it is towards the end, less important than the content below. BG acrylic is more appropriate than in app and or the current grey for this reason as well. What you said is false, and makes no sense.
Also, it was stated that “the top” of search was fixed, but if you ACTUALLY install build 19541, the entire search box now has acrylic again, just like 19h1. The usage of the word “top” might have been a wording mistake or could have been referring to other themes like the mixed theme (half dark half light) which I believe uses acrylic only on top.
We don’t need to jump to conclusions and take the all or nothing approach by removing BG acrylic from everything like this. It is a key part of Edge’s look that is now well known and is a symbol. It shouldn’t just be removed like that. It is also beautiful, and hierarchical.
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This is how I described the acrylic effect I suggested:

"However, I think what would be more appropriate for Edge would be the same effect that both Safari on macOS and the Microsoft Store itself have - in-app acrylic on the title / address / favorites bar area that shows website content underneath as you scroll up."

You can open the Microsoft Store, scroll a bit and see what I'm describing. If you know Safari on macOS you can do that, too. The website may not be behind the window chrome *now*, that much is true, but if Safari and the Store can pull of this visual trick, there is little reason Edge couldn't do it as well.

Thank you for the information about the search box. I wish they would backport that to 2004 (where I am currently on) but unfortunately I don't count on it.

"We don’t need to jump to conclusions and take the all or nothing approach by removing BG acrylic from everything like this."

That I can agree with. But I don' t think that simply because old Edge had background acrylic on the title bar the new Edge should just copy this. In fact, I have suggested an alternative that I think would be better. You can disagree with that, of course.
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The statement you make about a “visual trick” is just plain false. For starters, Safari is a macOS (Unix-based) application, Windows is totally different. Also, the MS Store does not have a standard title bar, it is blended with the tabs for the panes in search. The in app acrylic in Store is NOT on a normal title bar like that in Edge. I think MS would have to completely recode the title bar system for what you are saying to work because Edge cannot use the Store’s system because it is based on Chromium, which has a tab system with a title bar built up and I don’t think that can be changed. I’m sorry, but you are simply wrong. As I said, in my opinion, BG acrylic IS the best choice. For some things, in app is, I agree. But for Edge’s title bar for example, I strongly believe we need BG acrylic. Like we always have, and everyone has loved and Edge has now became known for! It’s like changing YouTube’s logo to yellow or McDonalds’ to blue. You just don’t do it.
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One thing I think may work though, is that the title bar uses Background Acrylic and the Address bar/favorites etc area uses In App acrylic. That may work, and would be hierarchical, and is not part of the title bar so may be possible.
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I'm absolutely positive that Edge has a completely custom title bar already as well. And yes, obviously they would need to recode things but so would they for your suggestion (although admittedly, that would probably be easier). Your argument doesn't hold up.

"I’m sorry, but you are simply wrong. Background acrylic IS the best choice."
You could at least label that as your opinion, just as I did with mine. Otherwise you're telling me that you're not interested in an intellectually honest discussion.

"Like we always have, and everyone has loved and Edge has now became known for!"
Because there were so many who did? The people who used Edge are a minority. The people who loved Edge are a minority in a minority. The people who loved Edge for its title bar with background acrylic are again a minority within that minority within a minority.

Your argument is basically "old Edge did it that way so new Edge should also", which is basically a proxy argument for "I liked the way it was so it should remain that way" and that may be an argument to you, but it is not to me.
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Alright, yes, I could have phrased the part differently by saying it was my opinion. I agree.

On the front of the “minorities”, yes, Edge users are a minority, but people who DO use Edge rather than something else most likely use it because they like it, otherwise they wouldn’t be using it, so wrong. And the last one is also wrong, simply search Windows 10 April 2018 update edge fluent design, and find people’s comments on different articles. You will notice the majority of the comments are talking about positive things.
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I also never said Edge doesn’t have a custom title bar, but I said it DOES NOT have a title bar that is combined with the content beneath it. That is simply not part of the chromium engine, which isn’t even up to MS.
Also, did you read my second post? What about background acrylic on the title bar and in app acrylic on the address bar etc area below?