Feb 02 2021 10:55 AM
Hello Insiders! Today we’re releasing build 90.0.782.0 to the Dev channel. As you can see, this is the first build of major version 90 to land in Dev, and with it comes some exciting new features.
As for everything else:
Added features:
Improved reliability:
Changed behavior:
Known issues:
In addition to Dev, we’re also releasing version 89 to Beta this week, so be on the lookout for that if you’re also a Beta user!
Feb 03 2021 07:49 AM
@josh_bodner
Hi, this has been happening for a while now, every time I get an update Edge opens the "We've updated you to the latest build." page but when I check to see the new features I can't find them.
for example, I still don't have the Smart copy feature, the new downloads menu, or the Web widget which came with the latest update.
Feb 03 2021 07:52 AM
@josh_bodner Google meet will no longer detect a camera mic or speakers. I know Meet doesn't officially support edge, so I don't know where the problem lies. Google Meet does work fine when using a different browser, with no changes to hardware configuration or settings.
Feb 03 2021 09:55 AM - edited Feb 03 2021 09:57 AM
@josh_bodner wrote:@HotCakeX from a logical standpoint, the cookie allow list is a global allow list. Like, you're allowing these cookies, period. The idea that changing another setting would change the context of that allow list to all of a sudden not be global is something that honestly had never occurred to me since there's no indication that such a thing would happen (since of course it doesn't). I'm definitely curious how many people would expect the third party cookie blocking setting to have exceptions since we're not trying to make it seem like it does, but I suspect not many since you have to have a lot of mental context to even know what is or isn't a third party cookie at any given time. Like, how would you know where the cookies in that list won't be allowed? I mean yes, they won't be allowed anywhere except when you're actually on those sites, but you also don't know what other sites do or don't try to use them as third party cookies, so it's impossible to list everywhere they won't be allowed (in other words, all the exceptions to that list).
Hi,
the reason I use Allow list is to specify a list of websites whose cookies I want to be kept in the browser, and then I add these 2 items to the "clear on exit" list
so with this setup, I clear all cookies that belong to websites I don't care about, every time browser closes.
I think we can all agree that this is a good security practice. I really only interact with ~30 websites regularly, so I don't need to have cookies of 1000 domains in my browser, tracking my every move on the Internet.
in fact, I wish Edge would do this automatically for everyone. like, let user use the browser for at least a week, detect the most visited websites and add them to the allow list, then clear all other cookies after browser closes.
of course this won't be a default behavior, but one that privacy-aware people would want to turn on or explore.
okay, so far so good, now about the 3rd party cookie blocking...
so, you have made it clear in the settings, where 3rd party cookie blocking exception is.
that option exists in Google Chrome too.
when someone sees that checkbox and has 3rd party cookie blocking turned on, they will know that checking that box will create an exception for that specific domain.
But, it's not expected when user adds a domain to the "Allow" list and then 3rd party cookie blocking thinks it's an exception too. it really isn't.
the exception for 3rd party cookie blocking should only be done through that checkbox, where it's explicitly specified.
This is why I'm saying that the "Allow" list shouldn't be confused, by the browser, with an exception list.
to me this all sounds logical to be honest.
I have a question, your last paragraph kinda got me confused. you're saying that it's in fact possible for a website, xyz.com , to use Google.com's cookies, and present them in the form of first party cookies ?
https://www.ionos.com/digitalguide/hosting/technical-matters/what-are-third-party-cookies/
Feb 03 2021 10:07 AM
@Red_namalas wrote:@josh_bodner Google meet will no longer detect a camera mic or speakers. I know Meet doesn't officially support edge, so I don't know where the problem lies. Google Meet does work fine when using a different browser, with no changes to hardware configuration or settings.
Google meet does officially support Edge
https://support.google.com/meet/answer/7317473?hl=en#zippy=%2Cuse-a-supported-web-browser
Feb 03 2021 08:04 PM - edited Feb 03 2021 08:22 PM
@HotCakeX there is an option for clear all cookies with exceptions:
Personally I block all third-party cookies. But with 'allow list' I can bypass global blocking and allow these cookies for specific domains. 'Allow list' has worked this way in Chromium for many years.
Feb 03 2021 11:59 PM - edited Feb 04 2021 12:00 AM
@eddiezato wrote:@HotCakeX there is an option for clear all cookies with exceptions:
Personally I block all third-party cookies. But with 'allow list' I can bypass global blocking and allow these cookies for specific domains. 'Allow list' has worked this way in Chromium for many years.
there are 2 things to note here,
Edge and Chrome already have an "Allow list" or "exception list" for 3rd party cookie blocking.
it happens when you check this box:
if you Don't check that box, it shouldn't happen. they are clearly mentioning that to the user, if you check the box, third-party cookies on this site will be allowed.
there is no need to apply it to the whole "Allow" list.
also, there is an option to clear cookies on exist with exception, in here
edge://settings/clearBrowsingDataOnClose
but it doesn't sync the websites we add.
so based on what I explained in my previous comment, it's impossible to have that kind of security in Edge.
there is literally no way, if there is then please tell me how to:
I'm open to all suggestions and I hope I'm wrong
Feb 04 2021 02:22 AM - edited Feb 04 2021 02:23 AM
@HotCakeX wrote:if you check the box, third-party cookies on this site will be allowed.
No. If you check this box, you will allow all third-party cookies from the entered URL, not just cookies for the domain itself.
@HotCakeX wrote:there is literally no way, if there is then please tell me how to:
- limit Google.com's cookies only to Google.com
- have a list of frequently visited sites (which also includes Google.com) and let them save their cookies on Edge.
- delete all cookies that don't belong to the frequently visited sites list (aka allow list) in here:
edge://settings/content/cookies
whenever the browser is closed.
Just block third-party cookies and don't allow any specific. Then enable 'clear cookies' here edge://settings/clearBrowsingDataOnClose with exception for 'google.com' and another domains you want. Can't say anything about syncing this option because I don't use sync.
I think the idea of sending your personal data to some company to sync already violates privacy.
Feb 04 2021 05:12 AM - edited Feb 04 2021 12:57 PM
"No. If you check this box, you will allow all third-party cookies from the entered URL, not just cookies for the domain itself."
I meant and said the same thing, lol. I've seen how it works and I understand it
"Just block third-party cookies and don't allow any specific. Then enable 'clear cookies' here edge://settings/clearBrowsingDataOnClose with exception for 'google.com' and another domains you want."
I've already tried that, there is a problem with this method.
the checkbox for allowing 3rd party cookies in edge://settings/clearBrowsingDataOnClose
does not work the same way as the checkbox in edge://settings/content/cookies
the former allows 3rd party cookies of that domain to be saved in the browser and accessed. the latter only lets the 3rd party cookies of that domain to be saved/kept, not accessed.
hope it's clearer now to understand the problem.
"I think the idea of sending your personal data to some company to sync already violates privacy."
if you really believe in that then you shouldn't be using Internet at all. the moment you are connected, some company has your data and knows what you are doing, starting with your ISP.
if not ISP, then the secure DNS server you might be using. if not, then the VPN server provider that you might be using. there is no escape.
Sync is very harmless in comparison, and the advantages it provides outweigh any possible disadvantages.
Feb 04 2021 06:00 AM - edited Feb 04 2021 06:02 AM
@HotCakeX wrote:I meant and said the same thing, lol. I've seen how it works and I understand it
Ok. You have example.com
This website contains cookies from the domain itself and bunch of third-party such as google analytics, etc. If you allow example.com cookies without a checkbox, you only allow cookies from that domain, even if they are presented as third-party. But these will only be the example.com cookies. If you check this box, you allow domain cookies and all these trackers located on example.com with different domains.
This is how I understand this checkbox.
Let's look at a different angle.
There is an option to enable all cookies and an option to block third-party.
If you don't allow the use of cookies, you can use the “allow list” to allow certain cookies.
If you allow all cookies and don't block third-party, then "allow list" doesn't make any sense, you already allow everything.
If you allow all cookies and block third-party, then "allow list" may give you the ability to allow certain third-party cookies, since you only block third-party cookies.
About "clear cookies". In the first place you can clear a few but save many, in the second you can clear all but save a few. I think that's the difference.
Sorry if my English is bad. I tried my best.
Feb 04 2021 08:11 AM
@josh_bodner
I really dislike the new download manager.
I used to just drag my downloaded files into the application and now I have to open the folder.
For example, working with Photoshop I used to download an image, then from the bottom download bar just drag and drop in photoshop and done.
Now I have to a) open the download folder and look for my file or
b) use a dialog within Photoshop to open a file explorer to then go to my downloads folder and then look for my file.
I like the aesthetics but if I can't drag and drop the files, it's useless for me.
Can you please bring back the old download bar with a flag or something or at least return the drag and drop functionality to the download panel?
Feb 04 2021 09:28 AM
Enabling drag and drop for the new downloads flyout should be enough.
Feb 04 2021 12:45 PM
@eddiezato wrote:
@HotCakeX wrote:I meant and said the same thing, lol. I've seen how it works and I understand it
Ok. You have example.com
This website contains cookies from the domain itself and bunch of third-party such as google analytics, etc. If you allow example.com cookies without a checkbox, you only allow cookies from that domain, even if they are presented as third-party. But these will only be the example.com cookies. If you check this box, you allow domain cookies and all these trackers located on example.com with different domains.
This is how I understand this checkbox.
Let's look at a different angle.
There is an option to enable all cookies and an option to block third-party.
If you don't allow the use of cookies, you can use the “allow list” to allow certain cookies.
If you allow all cookies and don't block third-party, then "allow list" doesn't make any sense, you already allow everything.
If you allow all cookies and block third-party, then "allow list" may give you the ability to allow certain third-party cookies, since you only block third-party cookies.
About "clear cookies". In the first place you can clear a few but save many, in the second you can clear all but save a few. I think that's the difference.
Sorry if my English is bad. I tried my best.
Thank you, that's very helpful.
Your English is fine,
I needed that different angle :)
now I'm doing this
and I added sites I frequently visit to the Allow list, with the checkbox to allow 3rd party cookies of certain websites.
everything is working as expected now.
I can log into YouTube, which saves Google cookies on my computer, and then I go to Reddit but the site no longer offers me to create an account with Google, because Reddit no longer reads Google cookies on my browser.
Feb 04 2021 05:40 PM
Feb 05 2021 02:23 PM
I have the latest DEV Channel along with the same old problem; Googles news opens but the news stories are all Blank this is true in all versions of Edge. Also when going to a CNN story and playing a video there is sound but no picture. Has been going on and off for several upgrades. I say that it was a Windows problem except all is good using Chrome?
Bob
Feb 05 2021 02:42 PM
@BobnG wrote:I have the latest DEV Channel along with the same old problem; Googles news opens but the news stories are all Blank this is true in all versions of Edge. Also when going to a CNN story and playing a video there is sound but no picture. Has been going on and off for several upgrades. I say that it was a Windows problem except all is good using Chrome?
Bob
judging from the screenshot, it looks like you're using an extension that changes the appearance of that page, can you check and disable them all temporarily see it changes anything? edge://extensions/
also are you using any flags?
Feb 05 2021 03:32 PM
Thank you, you were exactly right. Annoying part is I tried that once without success but must have added something since? It give me a chance to clean some other items also. I worked with MS agent for over a month without any success.
Thanks you again,
Bob
Feb 06 2021 12:00 AM
@BobnG wrote:Thank you, you were exactly right. Annoying part is I tried that once without success but must have added something since? It give me a chance to clean some other items also. I worked with MS agent for over a month without any success.
Thanks you again,
Bob
Glad I could help, you're welcome!
Feb 06 2021 07:51 AM
@josh_bodner When I send any link to the Collections from the context menu the browser start crash and shut down automatically
Feb 06 2021 08:06 AM
Hi,
what developers said about crashes is that the best way to report them is to go to edge://crashes/
find the related/correct crash item (you can tell it by reading the time when it happened), press submit feedback next to it, in the new window briefly explain what you were doing when that crash happened and what URL you were on, and then end it.
Feb 06 2021 01:04 PM