Mar 11 2020 10:36 AM
Hello Insiders, today we’re releasing build 82.0.446.0 to the Dev Channel. For this week’s most noteworthy new additions:
Added features:
Improved reliability:
Changed behavior:
Known issues:
As always, we appreciate all your suggestions and your help finding bugs!
Mar 15 2020 02:35 PM - edited Mar 15 2020 02:37 PM
@HotCakeX Still can using Edge as a default browser , all you do is to disable Favorites in synchronize settings and keep backup as a saved html file
Mar 15 2020 03:25 PM
@MarsMas wrote:@HotCakeX Still can using Edge as a default browser , all you do is to disable Favorites in synchronize settings and keep backup as a saved html file
That's not convenient for average users. and to explain it to everyone to do it is impractical. best thing is to wait it out and let the developers fix it before using Edge as default browser.
they should have delayed the rollout through Windows update for at least 3 or 4 months, until Edge stable reached version 82 or 83 at least.
Mar 16 2020 09:34 AM
Mar 16 2020 10:27 AM - edited Mar 16 2020 10:32 AM
@josh_bodner Please fix Edge interaction with MPV player.
Problem:
If a file extension associated with mpv player, it becomes impossible to download such file with Edge. Either nothing is happening when pressing "Save As" or trying to download the file using "Download" function of the native Edge media player, or Edge offers to Open the file in mpv instead of offering to save it.
Steps to repro:
Try downloading a random webm file with Edge - there shouldn't be any issues. Doesn't have to be webm, just a media file associated with mpv.
Now "install" mpv from the link below using a bat file, associate webm with mpv and try to download the same webm again - either nothing is happening or Edge offers to Open this file in mpv player.
MPV player in quiestion: https://sourceforge.net/projects/mpv-player-windows/
Integrated in OS via mpv-install.bat that comes with the player in mpv/installer folder (since the player is portable), here's full contents of this bat: https://pastebin.com/CtkxRPyT
I know mpv isn't a popular Windows player but I don't have such issues saving files with vanilla Chromium or Firefox, so this leads me to believe this is an Edge issue and not mpv.
I've attached an example of the Open dialogue that pops up when I press "Save As".
Mar 16 2020 12:26 PM - edited Mar 16 2020 04:06 PM
@josh_bodner welp, my previous post was classified as spam and removed so reposting a tl;dr version without any links.
There's a weird issue with how Edge interacts with mpv player on Windows. It's impossible to download a media file that is associated with mpv player using Edge. For example a webm file associated (open with) with mpv. Either nothing will happen when you try to save it in Edge (no Save window popup) or Edge will offer to Open a file (in mpv) instead of showing "Save" window.
Easy way to reproduce is try to download a webm with Edge when webm isn't associated with any player, and do the same after assigning webm format to open with mpv.
This doesn't happen with Chromium or Firefox, only new Edge.
Mar 16 2020 05:19 PM
Can we control it client-side?
@HotCakeX sometimes; not every feature is given a user-controllable flag, but can still be turned on or off server-side via a controlled rollout. In general, if it's behind a flag, that means it's not ready yet, and there's no way to know just how ready something is. It may be ready enough to be under a rollout already, or it may be so unstable that it causes you to crash on launch (I've learned that one the hard way). Plus, the more flags you turn on, the more likely you are to compound the instability.
Mar 16 2020 05:56 PM - edited Mar 16 2020 06:04 PM
@DavidGB The idea behind Edge's "scrolling personality" is that the page content follows the finger's movements "naturally" at all times, so even when there is nothing to scroll, i.e. when overscrolling, the page moves to indicate that you have reached the edge of the page in a more fluent manner than just having the scrolling stop abruptly.
It's very similar to the general scrolling behavior you get on iOS and macOS, and the same idea as that behind gestures like zoom pinch-to-zoom. Typically when you see people lauding the "scrolling performance" of Edge, what they mean is precisely the way it smoothly follows the finger even beyond the scrollable area.
I disagree that it should be disabled by default. I don't have anything against a settings toggle, though, I don't care either way. If anything were to be changed about the scrolling behavior, I would perhaps tone down or remove the *horizontal* overscrolling, as sometimes it conflicts with the back/forward gesture and sometimes the site will scroll to the side slightly when I only wanted it to go up. *Vertical* overscrolling feels good, though.
@josh_bodner What exactly is the bug you say you have opened in this context?
Mar 16 2020 06:07 PM
it would be better in settings where we can see it, realise it's a thing, and can easily turn it off when we find it too disconcerting
@DavidGB in this case, there's no setting because there was never intended to be an option of whether to use Edge's scrolling behavior or Chromium's. Bugs notwithstanding, we believe Edge Legacy's behavior was superior, so it's just intended to replace Chromium's default behavior.
what exactly is this scrolling 'personality' supposed to do
The major parts of it are that it behaves like most other touchscreen devices do when scrolling with your finger: you can pull past the page area, it bounces back if you scroll and let go and let it hit the end of the page, etc.
Mar 16 2020 06:08 PM
@lunarsound which channel of Edge do you see this in? And if you change your setting to ask before saving a file, does it help?
Mar 16 2020 06:17 PM
@adrianghc the bug is that using the two-finger gesture to scroll in one dimension (vertically, for example) is way too eager to also try to scroll in the other (horizontally), and also gives up way too fast when it does, causing it to go back and forth in that dimension while it's only going in one direction in the other every time you do the gesture, which makes a page look like it's constantly moving left and right as you scroll down it. The way the website is programmed affects it, so it's worse on some sites than on others.
Mar 16 2020 06:23 PM
Mar 17 2020 01:55 AM
Mar 17 2020 03:14 AM - edited Mar 17 2020 08:31 AM
@josh_bodner Changing "ask before save" has no effect on this and it happens on all channels: Canary, Dev and Beta.
Mpv on Windows integrates into OS via mpv-install.bat that comes with the player so it might be due to some weird registry paths mpv adds. But since other browsers, including vanilla Chromium, have no such issue and work fine, this leads me to believe that this is mainly an Edge issue.
Mar 17 2020 07:54 AM
OK, so you basically just said:
1 We are not giving a choice.
2 The only option is going to be behaviour suited to people using it on touch screens.
Seriously? Just a middle finger presented to all the people using it on desktops and non-touch-screen laptops. That is what your (team, not you personally) decision represents.
Having an OPTION of two behaviours, one for touch screens, one for non-touch-screen laptops and desktops would be a cool selling point (especially if there was a degree of auto-switching as to whether it is being use on a touchscreen device or in touchscreen mode on a device able to be used either way).
But what you just said says to me Microsoft no longer cares about the non-touchscreen market.
I have a touchscreen PHONE (which would use the Android Edge) and a NON-touchscreen laptop. Fine, I get the message. That really makes my day, along with the dark mode changes in yesterday's Canary I HATE, have made it unusable for me, and which aren't just options that let me keep the old theme if I want.
Please thank the UI design team for at least having given me an excellent browser dark mode before now taking it away that's let me redesign Firefox's dark mode to match through userChrome.css, making it the best Firefox has ever looked to me. Until this Edge dark theme change and my changing Firefox to match what Edge's was, on the theme/UI front I had it scored Edge 1 Firefox 0. Now you've wrecked Edge's dark theme but I've got Firefox's like Edge's was it's now Edge 0 Firefox 1.
Mar 17 2020 09:09 AM
Mar 17 2020 01:59 PM
@DavidGB we're still investigating supporting custom themes, which may help you in the future, but for now, which change to dark theme is it that you don't like?
Mar 17 2020 02:00 PM
@lunarsound did you install Edge after installing MPV or before? Have you tried re-installing either to see if it helps?
Mar 17 2020 02:23 PM
@josh_bodner yup, tried pretty much everything I could think of. Both reinstalling and switching install order on my main OS as well as Windows Sandbox - nothing changes, media download with Edge stops working for files set to open with mpv. Changing default app for the media file type from mpv to anything else instantly fixes download issues for that particular type.