The best version of OneNote on Windows

[William Devereux]

The below article is out of date as of Nov 4^th 2019. Please check out this article for the latest OneNote announcement.

We’re incredibly lucky to have millions of passionate OneNote users around the globe, and we love learning how we can help you remember, think, and organize better. In spending time with you, we heard a recurring theme: you want a single version of OneNote on Windows that combines all the benefits of the modern Windows 10 app with the depth and breadth of capabilities in the older OneNote 2016. We took that feedback to heart, and over the last few years we’ve been focused on making OneNote for Windows 10 the best version of OneNote on Windows.

Beginning with the launch of Office 2019 later this year, OneNote for Windows 10 will replace OneNote 2016 as the default OneNote experience for both Office 365 and Office 2019. Why OneNote for Windows 10? The app has improved performance and reliability, and it’s powered by a brand new sync engine (which we’re also bringing to web, Mac, iOS, and Android). You don’t need to worry about being on the latest version since it’s always up-to-date via the Microsoft Store, and it lets us deliver updates faster than ever before. In fact, over the last year and a half we've added more than 100 of your favorite OneNote 2016 features based on your feedback (thank you!), with more improvements on the way including tags and better integration with Office documents.

We’d love for you to start using OneNote for Windows 10 today, however we know some of you might not be ready yet. Maybe you rely on a feature we don’t yet support on Windows 10 (please let us know using the Feedback Hub), or you don’t want to store your notebooks in the cloud. If so, you’re more than welcome to continue using OneNote 2016.

What’s happening to OneNote 2016?

While we’re no longer adding new features to OneNote 2016, it’ll still be there if you need it. OneNote 2016 is optionally available for anyone with Office 365 or Office 2019, but it will no longer be installed by default. If you currently use OneNote 2016, you won’t notice any changes when you update to Office 2019. We’ll continue to offer support, bug fixes, and security updates for OneNote 2016 for the duration of the Office 2016 support lifecycle, which runs through October 2020 for mainstream support and October 2025 for extended support. For more details, please refer to this FAQ.

A preview of what’s to come

We've been listening to your feedback about what you like—and what you don't—and working hard to address it in the product. Your opinions, feature requests, and, yes, complaints have been critical in helping us shape the current experience. Today, we’d like to walk you through some of the work we’ve done to bring your favorite features from OneNote 2016 to OneNote for Windows 10, highlight some of the capabilities that are only available in the Windows 10 app, and give you a sneak peek at a few of the improvements coming this year.

Your favorite features, improved

OneNote for Windows 10 was designed to feel natural with any input method, from mouse and keyboard to pen and touch, and it contains numerous improvements under the hood for better performance, reliability, and battery life. It also has a number of new features not available in OneNote 2016, including ink effects* and dramatically improved ink-to-text (check it out—it’ll even preserve your ink color, size, and highlights!), Researcher*, a notification center, deep integration with Windows 10, and much more. 

For many of you, shifting our focus to the Windows 10 app won’t come as a surprise. Aside from a handful of targeted improvements, we haven’t added any new features to OneNote 2016 in some time. Instead we’ve been focusing on consistency, ensuring that nearly all your favorite features in OneNote 2016 are also available in OneNote for Windows 10. We’re almost there, and in the coming months we’ll be adding even more top-requested features.

Top-requested features coming soon to OneNote for Windows 10

Here's what you can expect later this summer:

• Insert and search for tags: OneNote 2016’s popular tags feature is coming to OneNote for Windows 10! Soon you’ll be able to insert, create, and search for custom tags, making it easy to mark key information and find it later. Tags you create will now roam with you to across your devices, and OneNote will even show you tags other people have used in a shared notebook so you don’t have to recreate them yourself. The new tags experience was designed based on your feedback, and it will be available later this summer.

 

• View and edit files: See live previews of Office files in OneNote, work together on attached documents, and save space in your notebooks with cloud files. You’ll get all the benefits of saving a file on OneDrive with the context and convenience of an attachment or preview on a OneNote page.

• Additional Class Notebook features: The full slate of Class Notebook features available in the add-on for OneNote 2016 will be available in OneNote for Windows 10 this summer. Best of all, you no longer need to install a separate add-in—it's all built-in!

These are just a few of the improvements coming soon to OneNote for Windows 10. The app is updated every month with new functionality, and we have a lot of cool stuff in the works—including page templates. Stay tuned for more exciting announcements.

An improved sync experience

We've been hard at work making sync faster and more reliable on OneNote for Windows 10, as well as on Mac, iOS, Android, and web. Since a picture is worth a thousand words, here's a look at the new sync engine in action:

You can try the first set of improvements today by opening a OneDrive notebook in OneNote for Windows 10, Mac, iOS, or Android. These improvements will be rolled out to OneNote Online in the coming months, as well as notebooks on OneDrive for Business and SharePoint.

Improving the user experience

Last year, we unveiled a new look and feel for OneNote on Windows 10, Mac, iOS, Android, and OneNote Online that aligned the disparate designs into a single, unified interface. In addition to bringing consistency to our apps, the new user experience scales much better for large notebooks and significantly improves accessibility for those who rely on assistive technologies. To learn more about the new design, check out our help article.

This is just a quick look at OneNote for Windows 10, but we’re not done yet. We'll continue listening to your feedback and incorporating it into our future plans, so leave us a comment below or add your feature request using the Feedback Hub. You can also join the Office Insider program for early access to the latest updates. And before we sign off, we want to say a huge thank you for your support. We really hope you love the new OneNote for Windows!

—OneNote Team

*Requires Office 365 subscription

[Tim Paul]

@William Devereux, I'd like to revisit backups, please. I have just restored a OneNote notebook from a backup over one-year-old. The notebook hadn't been used since then but none-the-less contained valuable information that a team realised it needed. But the person who had created the notebook had deleted assuming that it was no longer required or that all the information had been extracted from it.

In this purely online world that you are envisioning and which you have somewhat shared, how would that recovery have been undertaken?

[Eric Pellegrini]

@Jamie CameronNot sure what is happening. Your comments keep appearing and disappearing. I assume the moderators are not sure if they should leave them. Since three just showed up, I guess maybe they will stay around.

As to what you wrote, I do not feel there is anything worth replying to.

[Eric Pellegrini]

@Nicola De Ieso  - Sections and pages can already be printed to PDFs files. 

[Jamie Cameron]

@Eric Pellegrini- no problem, I suspect there isn't much more to say between us and personally all I'm interested in is the best version of OneNote possible.  As far as the multiple posts are concerned, let's give Microsoft the benefit of the doubt and put it down to a tech issue rather than moderation (I tried posting a few times over several hours and the system seemed a bit glitchy - I left it a few hours more, came back and it worked).  It would be a little odd for them to moderate my or indeed any of the other voices who disagree with their decision here - the impression I have is that many people feel strongly about this because they really like OneNote 2016.  Nothing wrong with having customers who are passionate about one of your products.  Cheers.

[Nicola De Ieso]

@Eric PellegriniI wasn't able to find where I can do it. Can you tell me how can I print sections/pages to PDFs, please? Thanks

[Melanie Grey]

I would love to see the 'email page' feature added into the new One Note, like in the 2016 version.  I used this feature all the time and I'm really missing it!  Thanks :) 

[Eric Pellegrini]

@Nicola De Ieso, Something is wrong with my editing of this page. I can't post an image. So I'll say it in words: Press the tripple button in the upper right of the app, where the settings are. That button also shows "Print" Under Print you can see "Pages" under which pages are being printed to a PDF. There you can select "Current Page", "Current Section" and "Current Notebook".

[Eric Pellegrini]

@Melanie Grey, Have you tried the "Share" button?

[Nicola De Ieso]

@Eric PellegriniI found it, thanks

[Tim Paul]

This comment to close the loop on a question that I put to @William Devereux but which he did not answer. It concerns the integration of Windows 10 desktop search with OneNote on OneDrive.

The short, confirmed answer from Microsoft is, there is no integration between the two and therefore it's not possible to use the Windows 10 desktop search front-end (Cortana, Explorer) to search for OneNote content on OneDrive for Business.

[Neil Goldstein]

My Microsoft 365 E5 Customers with ProPlus (upgraded from Office 365 E3 -> M365 E5) are getting the following message in 

File->Account under product activation...

"On Wednesday, May 16, 2018, most features of OneNote 2016 will be disabled."   

Office Pro Plus is being distributed by Intune MDM

WHAT the heck, disabled on 2018??????

[Tim Paul]

Any chance of a screenshot @Neil Goldstein ?

[Vyacheslav Lanovets]

Support for offline private notebooks is an important feature. Your planning and marketing teams made a mistake to not declare it a priority. MS developers create very good products and then imbecile marketing and UX designers kill them.

[Ed Hansberry]

The "email page" feature for us is huge. We use it two ways:

• To email a page. (duh)
• To group a bunch of notes together we need to extract all of the attachments out of.
  • Select a bunch of pages
  • Use the Email page option
  • in the draft email in Outlook, save attachments!

The latter is huge for us around audit time. We keep scanned docs like bank statements in OneNote, and this makes it easy to export all 12 for a given bank at once.

[Dennis Long]

Add my vote and voice to the growing number of people disappointed by this news. As a user of OneNote every day, this is very discouraging. Spinning this as a positive angle is very misleading, but sadly not surprising. Why would anyone be excited about what you just announced?

I championed OneNote for so many years, as I constantly defended it against the Evernote legion. Somehow it is still, in my opinion, THE application that many Office users don't even know about or what to do with it - it is drastically underrated and underestimated in its current state. You could maintain, and improve on the quality product you have right now, and market it effectively to let people know just how good it is and what they could use it for in their situations (I still have friends and family pasting text and pictures in Word for various notes they want to keep for future reference - wow!)... but instead, you've chosen to kill off this great product and replace it with an inferior substitute and try to convince people that they are wrong for wanting "local" functionality. Sure, the cloud is all the rage - fine go in that direction, but leave some ability to store on local storage (and no, saving to OneDrive is not the same thing) - why force it?

The good news about this announcement for me, which is quite far in advance luckily... it will enable me to start looking around for alternatives now. I will stop using OneNote as Microsoft's intentions are very clear, and stop wasting time using a product that has no future in my lineup of tools that I use. I'll keep an eye on this "new and improved" OneNote, but unless its development takes a drastic turn back to rationality, I will sadly be actively looking for a replacement. 

[thx1200]

The UWP OneNote is so far from being feature complete compared to the Office 2016 OneNote, I cannot even remotely understand this decision.  You are going to drive people away from OneNote to your competitors.  I can't even open my local notebooks in OneNote UWP, for crying out loud.  No click-to-screenshot, no checkbox tags, no tagging shortcuts (hardly any keyboard shortcuts at all), no customization of the UI layout, no section groups, no TODO, no tag search, no outlook integration, no format painter, limited file integration, no equation editor, no automatic OCR, limited inking (seriously how did you miss this one with the UWP version), no recycle bin, no find by author, NO PLUGINS COME ON, no multi-window, no quick notes, no always on top.

This is the most misguided decision Microsoft has made since Windows Vista and there is absolutely no need for it.  You can wait until the UWP OneNote is actually in feature parity.  Right now we are going to be actively exploring competitors.

[Tim Paul]

@William Devereux, you requested we start using the Windows 10 version of OneNote. I've invested a little bit of time now on the Win 10 version but can't find anything much to trial. The very basics required for me to continue working with it aren't available so the notion of trailing it, especially in my 'real-world' context, isn't possible. Without tags (custom tags along with searching for documents based on tags) my whole note management system doesn't work. That said, I don't think 2016 implemented tags brilliantly either - nesting is important. However, if my tags-driven notes management system doesn't work the whole concept of UWP is irrelevant as it just means OneNote doesn't work for me … well … on all my devices. 

To me the current Windows 10 version of OneNote, relative to OneNote 2016 is like comparing the Windows calculator to Microsoft Excel. 

[Melanie Grey]

 @Eric Pellegrini , thanks.  The 'share' option is not producing what I want.  The 'email page' feature was really useful in putting full text into the body of an email, so all information remains in the thread through multiple replies and this option makes the information shared easily accessible for those who do not use OneNote.  I use OneNote mostly for weekly office reports and taking draft meeting minutes.   For now I am using copy and paste, but this seems a very clunky way of doing something that was once so simple.

[Ed Hansberry]

I haven't tried "share" with OneNote @Melanie Grey but in OneNote 2016, share shares the entire notebook. You cannot share a note, notes, or a section. All or nothing.

Is it different in OneNote for Windows 10?

[Eric Pellegrini]

@Ed Hansberry @Melanie Grey

When you hit Share, look at the bottom, there is a link to "Send a Copy" which will insert the contents of a page into an email.

[Ed Hansberry]

@Eric Pellegrini - does it work with multiple notes, or one at a time?

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[Eric Pellegrini]

@Ed Hansberry@Melanie Grey

Multiple. You are free to select any number of pages. It inserts each of them one after another in the same email.

[Tim Paul]

@Ed Hansberry, in OneNotes 2016 you click 'Email Page' and the page is inserted into an email

@Eric Pellegrini, when I hit 'Send a Copy' I am presented with

Clicking on 'Mail' I am then presented with

Now, that may very well be Mail but it's not Outlook which is my default application for email. The 'From' field reflects my Windows account email address, not my business email address, and this can't be changed. So, to get the document into Outlook I still have to copy and paste. Further, this demonstration highlights the divide between Windows apps mental model and productivity application mental model. Like having a Windows login, and an O365 login, a Win app, and an Office application, OneDrive and OneDrive for Business. The word debacle comes to mind.

Not cool at all.

[Ed Hansberry]

Oh good grief. That is worse than useless @Tim Paul. I have seen this behavior with other UWP apps not being able to talk to Win32 apps like Outlook 2016.

If that is how Onenote for WIndows 10 works, that is horrible. No one in their right mind uses Windows Mail with their office 365 account.

[Eric Pellegrini]

@Ed Hansberry  I don't appreciate being spoken to rudely or disrespected. This is a professional environment, though not always evident by peoples behavior.  I am assuming other people wo are using Windows Mail feel the same. 

You've offered no thanks for the explanation, only a bad attitude. You've provided indignation that is less than not-warranted.

@Tim Paulisn't even correct, and yet you go off the handle to complain. Clicking the Mail-option you are resented with the option to send it via any connected account. 

[Tim Paul]

Gentlemen, please, this is a conversation, a dialogue. There may be emotions involved but can we please work within the bounds of respectful human conversation. I can't see that any offense was intended, although I can see how someone may take offense. Let's step away from the precipice?

@Eric Pellegrini, can you point out what you mean by "wrong" please?

@Ed Hansberry, I see Azure and Windows as two very separate architectures, supported by separate organisational functions that have quite some history and legacy. These are recognised (see the forthcoming single log-in initiative slated for June for example) but difficult to solve. My issue is the timing of the death of ON2016 relative to addressing these fundamental challenges.

[Ed Hansberry]

@Eric Pellegrini - I don't recall replying to you about Windows mail.

But if you are going bring it up, it seems Tim is correct. OneNote for Win10 will not talk to Outlook 2016. This is the app we and most enterprises have standardized on for their Office 365 account. No one uses Windows Mail like that because it doesn't integrate with the calendar for scheduling, doesn't have a OneNote button in it to copy emails straight to OneNote, doesn't support third party addins like connectors to your PBX system, email archive support, etc. the list is much MUCH longer than the one between OneNote and OneNote 2016.

It is a useless solution for the vast vast majority of people with business Office 365 accounts.

[Tim Paul]

@Eric Pellegrini, not on my system. I provided all the screenshot of dialogues the workflow provided. None we omitted or adulterated. So, "wrong" ... perhaps not "wrong" as its certainly factual from my perspective.

[Tim Paul]

@Eric Pellegrini, are you on the 'Insider' program by any chance? Is it possible you have a version that reflects forthcoming changes to the app? I'm just trying to understand the underlying reason for the very different app behaviour.

[Neil Goldstein]

@Tim Paul

If the activation warning about onenote pops up on another client computer I'll grab a screenshot. I solved that one by clearing the activation state then having company portal app reinstall Office 365, and then having user login to activate

@Eric Pellegrini

Do you see any way to insert an Excel spreadsheet into a page like you can on OneNote 2016.

A number of customers have a workflow that process like:

Person A uses OneNote mobile (android) to collect field data often photo heavy

Person A returns to the office and cleans up field notes

Person A inserts an Excel spreadsheet / Form  -- so that the Spreadsheet is actually rendered in the notebook

Person A fills out some of the spreadsheet

Person A then sends the OneNote page to another user 

User X then also fills in some of the spreadsheet data  (Note: All the spreadsheet data is inside the notebook, there is no XLSX file, this is not a link)

Person A, now that person X is finished, exports the page as a PDF (immutable copy) and uploads it to a sharepoint site where the "Customer" can see the images + field notes + attached report/form.

On OneNote lite, all we can do is link to a spreadsheet, which won't meet business needs.

Do know of a way to have a onenote page contain a spreadsheet and show/edit it in-line and not have to have that spreadsheet file stored separately from OneNote?

[Tim Paul]

Thanks @Neil Goldstein

[Tim Paul]

This is worthwhile watching folks. Its a Microsoft Fluent / OneNote presentation from Microsoft Build 2018

YouTube Fluent OneNote

[Eric Pellegrini]

@Neil Goldstein

I am actually quite familiar with the use of excel sheets in OneNote.

Excel sheets are not implemented. And it would be good to know if they will be. 

Also, the use of derogatory terms and euphemisms is getting old. What exactly do you hope to gain by insulting the OneNote teams work?

E.

[Deleted]

Mmmm, seems 'Share a single page' is receiving attention. The previous functionality has been deprecated. All previous single page shares will automatically expire as of June 15, 2018.
I queried the difference between the lack of menu option on the App compared to the Help page. The Help page was updated. :)

Sharing it so we get some sense of UPDATE progress.

[Deleted]

Will the really simple things be dealt with before the COMMAND BAR FLY-OUT is implemented or at least be included in that, like:
1. Double-click Format Painter to lock for multiple instances. 

2. Paragraph/Line Spacing.

3. Insert Symbols.

From the Build presentation I got the impression it's up to the developers, i.e. your team i.t.o OneNote.

Trust me, although small, they are top of mind among long-time users, and useful too.

[Tim Paul]

I had a quick look at the Microsoft O365 Roadmap today as I was wondering when the enhancements @William Devereux describes in his blog are slatted for delivery. Filtering for OneNote resulted in 

I can only conclude I am looking in the wrong place, the old ON2016 perhaps. Does anyone know the OneNote app roadmap URL please?

Thanks

[Ed Hansberry]

Unfortunately @Tim Paul I've found those road maps are only good for confirming what is on the road map. There have a been a lot of features in various products that have come out that never showed up on the road map. You cannot take an item as missing as meaning it isn't happening. The only time you know for a fact something isn't happening is if it is on the list and marked as "cancelled."

[Tim Paul]

Thanks for the reply @Ed Hansberry. If that's the case I don't know where that leaves us in relation to the type of partnership that MS seems to be requesting. Let's hope, at worst, its a reflection of the behaviour of old, and not reflective of the new.

Are you aware of a Windows app roadmap?

[Ed Hansberry]

No I don't @Tim Paul. The Windows Platform roadmap is here, but I think that is more developer oriented. 

They may eventually update this article to explain what is really going on with OneNote for Win10 in detail, but short of that, we'll probably just see what happens in the coming months.

I thought this was interesting for those that are hoping for non-cloud notebooks support:

“We understand and respect that some people might not want any data stored in the cloud. For the vast majority of OneNote customers, however, having access to their notes on all their devices is a core part of the value of OneNote. We know that this means some of we might look for other solutions, and we understand. We have an open file format that other note-taking apps and developers can use to export notes from OneNote.”

In other words, upload to the cloud, or write your own program. And don't look to Evernote. They want nothing to do with offline notebooks as well. They support it, but they don't like it, and don't enhance it, and based on some bugs I've read about, don't actively test for breakage.

[Tim Paul]

"For the vast majority of OneNote customers, however, having access to their notes on all their devices is a core part of the value of OneNote" ... That's a big call and it makes me wonder how they arrived at such a conclusion? Have they polled the "vast majority of OneNote customers" that you're aware of? I certainly haven't been asked via any overt enquiry from MS. Nor to my knowledge has any of my customers. And, if such enquiry was made was the question "We will give you one or the other but not both; so which do you choose?" put to them?

I read this statement as an attempt to influence, perhaps even justify, not a reflection of any rigorous and robustly designed market research of sincere customer insight.

[Tim Paul]

I have spent a little time looking at both my own and my customers OneNote use cases to see if it is me that is holding a bias and to question whether I am holding on to the past unreasonably. So far, the absence of an integrated Windows search and local storage breaks my clients OneNote flows as much as it does my own.

That said, there is a positive receptiveness to the new app's UI, but not as a substitute for the features that underpin my client's workflow. In other words, an appealing looking OneNote is not a substitute for a OneNote that does not do the job.

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[Chloe Gilbert]

I'm a huge fan of Office 365 products and services but I have to agree with the large majority of people posting that this is a huge backward step for us. People who use OneNote heavily, the proper desktop version not the useless online and Windows app versions, will not have the functions that they rely on to do their job effectively. OneNote has been my secret weapon of choice for more years than I care to remember. Ive got day notes and planning notes going back over a decade.

I know you won't reconsider and change your minds over this awful and frankly stupid decision, the marketing people are taking over again and forcing you to do this. However as a result I will, and with real sadness, have to look for alternatives for integrated note and task management outside of the Microsoft products. 

[thx1200]

@Chloe Gilbert If you find something good, please let the community know!  I looked at Evernote, but it's not quite what I need, though it is better than the "Windows App" OneNote.  Evernote also does, surprisingly to me, allow offline / local note taking, which from this post and others, Microsoft is planning to abandon for some reason.  It really feels like MS is shooting themselves in the foot.  Maybe this will just be the "Windows Vista" stage of OneNote and after the release of Office 2019 when this gets broader notice and more backlash, they will revisit the decision.  We can only hope.

[Lee Drake]

@thx1200I doubt that. There isn't a single "Windows Store" version of software that is better than it's native version, and most are significantly worse.  Worse than that they're rarely updated as they all seem to be one off projects. They're all deliberately dumbed down and crippled to simulate the experience of running on a phone on your powerful desktop computer. I fail to understand why Microsoft is so in love with small screen experiences. I'm currently working on a 34" curved screen monitor, with a 24" in portrait mode next to it. Desktops are about multitasking and complex processing. 

[Tim Paul]

@Chloe Gilbert, @thx1200, @Lee Drake There are many ways of looking at our relationship with Microsoft. One is as the powerless beneficiary of what ever is dished up, another is as a ‘good faith partner’ actively promoting a healthy viable MS software community, another is as a customer actively engaging Microsoft in solving business problems, and yet another as an activist seeking the best outcomes possible, no matter the cost. 

This blog post content, tone, and lack of participation give us some clues as to Microsoft’s desired relationship. That should shape how we respond. I recommend syndicating articles about the power of OneNote in your daily activities, the impact the decision will have, and the viable options open to you as a consequence. I strongly recommend targeting your articles to channels aimed at investor communities. Create a stir with MS shareholders. Speak about the threat to Microsoft’s golden goose, Office.

Talk to IT decisionmakers with the aim of having them question this decision. Find a pathway to others like us who rely on OneNote and, in good faith, have persevered with release after release, providing helpful feedback to guide its maturation. 

Otherwise, make peace with the first relationship model. 

[Lee Drake]

@Tim Paulyou might want to check out my linked in feed for exactly that: https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6394242021929811968

Don't worry - based on this discussion there will be a LOT more I have to say about this move out of the fold of "office" and into the fold of "crappy software for consumers not businesses"

[Tim Paul]

Good for you @Lee Drake, I see that I am indeed late to the party.

[Camper Camper65]

For me, this change will also most likely cause me to use OneNote 2016 until I can find a sufficient replacement that permits offline usage alongside having some on the web. I work in a law firm and my brief points and other information I track legally cannot go on the web.  It's protected information and restricted. I'm also not putting personal stuff on the web that can be "breached" by someone who decides to hack the system.  Look at how many websites have been breached already and our information stolen and sold, like my information can be with the Target breach.  Sorry Microsoft but this is causing me and many others to leave your OneNote program when you demand we use the cloud for all data and not permitting using data locally ONLY.

[Markus Lohmer]

 @William Devereux

I do not understand why some of you Microsoft guys Keep on always repeating the same text:

"Please let us know in the Feedback Hub if there's a particular feature you'd like to see in OneNote for Windows 10. We've added a lot of features to the app over the last year and a half, and it nearly all of the top features in OneNote 2016" , when the answer is COMPLETELY clear:

We need all the features the desktop version already has. Everything else is a DOWNGRADE.

Why do we have to ASK for the obvoious on the Feedback Hub?

Does Microsoft really need that Input?