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nikitat1260
Contributor

Hello. I'd like to see a built-in ad blocker like in opera. I think this feature will be useful and you don't need to install third-party blockers. also, in the case of your own blocker in edge, the problem of banning blockers will be solved.

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Hi,
since i haven't used Opera recently i wanna ask if its built-in adblocker is effective enough, like does it block all the ads on the websites? also does it block YouTube ads that appear on videos?

@HotCakeX Hello. I enjoyed opera 2 months ago for the last time. the video advertising was blocked including on yutube

That's really nice. would be great to see similar function in the new Edge browser.
maybe also a built-in VPN.

 


@nikitat1260 wrote:

Hello. I'd like to see a built-in ad blocker like in opera. I think this feature will be useful and you don't need to install third-party blockers. also, in the case of your own blocker in edge, the problem of banning blockers will be solved.


@nikitat1260  @HotCakeX 

 

Actually there is a built in ads blocker in the last 2 versions of Canary.. Version 78.0.262.0 (Official build) canary (64-bit)..

 

How well it works I don't know as I've not tested it out yet... 

 

Ads blocking.jpg

 

Also note that in this next picture there are no options to "add" sites to the blocked list nore to the "allowed" list...

Ads Block 2.jpg

 

At least I've got it in my version.. could be one of those, chosen few...

 

Dennis5mile

I've tried the Android version of Opera and it wasn't bad. It had it's own VPN (server) and there's also "Opera Mini" for android which is a mini browser that's bare bones (lightweight) like Firefox Focus (Android) is. However since I use Edge for Android and Samsung Browser secondary I didn't keep Opera. Only so many browsers I need especially on Android.  I haven't tried on Windows in years since they went Chromium engine. 

 

Only thing about adding a browsers own ad blocker is...you get their ad blocker whether their own version or they partner with a third party. With extensions you can pick your ad blocker whether it's Ublock or ABP or something else.  I had Ublock and found it stopped working for me on various of websites so I switched to Adblock Plus and it works fine. I don't always use it too as some websites break especially news sites telling you to turn it off. So I mostly defaulted ABP to off expect for a few websites I know that are ad filled upon launching. If websites start locking said ad blocker you can try delete and another one instead of being tied into the single one built into the web browser. 

 

That's the only down side to a built in ad blocker. I guess it would have to have default options settable to on and off options or to be able to delete, and still allow users to use their own third party ad blocker if they choose. VPN would be a pretty cool concept especially tied in or secondary option tied into InPrivate. I liked the VPN options on Opera Android. 

@Dennis5mile I checked. this blocker does not block a large number of ads. including yutube

@ItalianAce I agree the user should choose to use a built-in blocker and a third-party blocker.

Yeah it's obvious since it's in the settings page...
but that's not what we meant. it has no difference whether it's on or off. think of it as a placebo.
Opera's ad-blocker is similar to what ublock is, a real adblocker that works. and in today's internet, it's a must-have, so better be integrated into the browser itself.
That's right,
but the thing is it's already there in Edge: edge://settings/content/ads
Microsoft put something there and says it blocks ads (god knows what kind of ads they refer to lol) so all im asking is to improve on that and make it work :)

Yeah I originally had Ublock but the extension kept self-turning off and breaking (requiring repairing or reinstalling) on both my Edge Canary and when trying it on original Chromium browser. Tails uses Ublock now as their official but unofficial ad blocker for their Tails OS. I got tired of trying to fix and solution it so I switched to ABP (Adblock Plus) and haven't had any problems since. It works the same as Ublock...nothing special or unique about ABP that those using Ublock without problems should switch.

 

I don't mind supporting ads of local entrepreneurs (like ma and pa online stores) trying to use ad revenue to help their business which I’ll whitelist.  But some of these big cooperation websites are ridiculous with the amount of adware with most of the ads holding no interest to me so a decent adblocker is needed.

 

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 https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/adblock-plus-free-ad-bloc/cfhdojbkjhnklbpkdaibdccddilifddb...

quick comparison between ublock origins and adblock plus.
https://www.webxen.com/kb/ublock-origin-vs-adblock-plus/

https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/8m9vu9/ublock_origin_vs_adblock_plus/

the main advantages of ublock origin: more effective, less CPU/RAM usage.
it takes one click to disable ublock origin on a website to see its ads, i don't see it as a feature that ABP is advertising for.
and of course we shouldn't forget the community based filters that ublock origin uses which makes it literally the best because of help of people. adblock plus takes money from 3rd parties in order to let their website domain be added to their white list. common dirty business practices.. nothing special
Google, Microsoft, and Amazon are paying Adblock Plus huge fees to get their ads unblocked

https://www.businessinsider.com/google-microsoft-amazon-taboola-pay-adblock-plus-to-stop-blocking-th...


Adblock Plus reveals how it’s charging companies to let ads through your ad blocker

https://thenextweb.com/insider/2015/12/16/adblock-plus-reveals-how-its-charging-companies-to-let-ads...

Yeah, that's the reason Tails OS dropped ABP and in it's place put in Ublock ealier this year. Although I haven't had any ads come through with Youtube, Amazon, Walmart, Yahoo on ABP so it seems to work fine thus far for me. I can't say for Google as I don't use Google search enough to deterimine ABP's affectiness (except to say no ads come through on Youtube). I'll use DuckDuckGo and after that Yahoo or Bing. I'll try Ublock again in about two weeks to see how it's responding. I've been using ABP for about two weeks now after the Ublock (Raymond Hill version) issues started. 

@ItalianAce I now use ublock advertising does not miss.

I'll try it again in a few weeks.

hhmm, how does ublock compare to AdGuard and/or Adblocker Ultimate? I use AdGuard on Edge classic, but can not seem to get them to add it here and I do not install anything from the huge security/dataminning chromeanything stores..... But I see ublock available in the store for Edge Can/Dev....

Dennis5mile

As long as it blocks Youtube Ads, I’m fine and don't care who makes it. As long as it works. Cobra Kai on Youtube without ads was nice bwahaha. I'll retry Ublock in a few weeks.

@Dennis5mile 

 

AdGuard is mainly know for it's system-wide Windows software which is premium and you have to purchase it. in terms of of extensions, ublock origin is better with less system resource usage and more available filters.
AdGuard is also an effective tool for rooted Android phones to block system-wide ads.

AdGuard software can function in all installed browsers/programs, it uses more system resources because of the advanced techniques.
AdGuard system software is easily circumvented when user is using proxy or VPN.

 

another thing, ublock origin has no filter limit. you can add adguard filters, ad block plus filters and any other custom filters to it such as those that block bitcoin miners in websites.

here you can find them all:

https://filterlists.com/

 

with that website, you see that ublock origin is not just a normal adblocker, it's more like a platform full of possibilities and options.

 


@HotCakeX wrote:

 

 

AdGuard is mainly know for it's system-wide Windows software which is premium and you have to purchase it. in terms of of extensions, ublock origin is better with less system resource usage and more available filters.


@HotCakeX 

 

I have AdGuard on Edge Classic and it was a free extension from the MS store.  I Love the way it works and all the options you have with it.  The security features are great along with many other blocking options.   But since the Edge Team does not seem to want to add it here, I have now installed ublock and I like it as well, though compared to ADGuard, AdGuard has more blocking options... 

 

Thanks for the info on ublock, :smile:

 

Dennis5mile

@Dennis5mile You can also add the extension too this version of Edge. I just tried it and it worked fine. I uninstalled it because I only need one blocker, but I tested it and it worked. It's in the Google Chrome Store though, so click the link below. You don't need to log in to an account to add it. Just click on "Add to Chrome" (Yes, we're on Edge but it will still add the extension to the new Edge just fine). Most Chrome extensions download and work with Edge Chromium because they're both using the Chromium engine as their source. 

 

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/adguard-adblocker/bgnkhhnnamicmpeenaelnjfhikgbkllg?utm_sou...

 

(That is if this is the adguard you were talking about)

Yes, that is the correct one. And as much as I hate the idea of downloading anything from there, I did it... lol

Thanks for the link. Using ublock and AdGuard.....

Dennis5mile

@Dennis5mile I also tried to use adguard, but refused it because I noticed a decrease in page load speed. I don't notice that with ublock.

@nikitat1260 

 

Edge Dev has Tracking Protection built-in. Edge Beta has a flag which can be enabled via the experimental flags interface. It offers 3 levels of protection: Basic, Balanced and Strict. I've found Strict works well without breaking any sites yet. It offers the ability to make exceptions for websites you wish to support via a fly-out which takes you to the relevant settings UI, but not directly from the main UI flyout.

 

Be aware that Tracking Protection will not block in-video ads on YouTube. These are getting harder to block now that many more are in-stream ads from the same content provider. If all you want is adblocking the built-in protection is very good. 

 

If you want to increase your privacy in addition to what the Strict setting provides I highly recommend the Privacy Possum extension, which will block many more forms of tracking not blocked by Edge. Privacy Possum actually takes on a heavy load with Edge built-in, e.g. compared to using PP with µBlock Origin. Otherwise, Edge built-in Tracking Protection is another jewel in the crown of the new Edge!

Tracking protection built-in has nothing to do with ad blocking though.
you can see the description in the settings. it only blocks trackers, not a single add.
less relevant ads yes but still no ad blocking.
strict setting is the worst option. it neither blocks ads nor lets user use website normally without breaking it.

the community made filters here take of everything and they don't break anything if used in the right extension: https://filterlists.com/
(advertisements, trackers, malware, and annoyances.)

@HotCakeX 

 

Your reply sounds like you haven't used it. My experience is the exact opposite of yours, regardless of what the description says. I happen to prefer µBO in medium mode and I'm quite familiar with community filter lists, but my reply was in response to the OP.

@FrankDeNunzio I understand what you're talking about, but opera is successfully coping with blocking ads on yutube. I think it's important to block this type of ad. and I'd like to see that in the edge.

On the contrary, i've been using it since it was first introduced. it's turned on and set to balanced. strict does what it says and breaks random site UIs.
every once in a while i disable my ublock origin to see the website im using with ads, i won't even get surprised because nobody expects tracking protection to do the ad blocking task.
i don't know how you jumped into conclusion that they are the same.

by the way what do you mean by " I happen to prefer µBO in medium mode " !? confused ublock with tracking protection again?
My issue with Adblocker Plus (ABP) is that it will allow ads to filter through if they are deemed “friendly”. What is determined to be “friendly” is pretty much what was said a few posts up by sales. I’m on Adblocker now, been on it for about two weeks. It’s fine, it does what it’s suppose too, but once I get Ublock working properly again I’ll go back to that as that was my main/original ad blocker extension.

https://www.theverge.com/2016/9/13/12890050/adblock-plus-now-sells-ads

* uBlock Origin and uBlock are two different adblockers. *

I was using AdBlock Plus in the last 5 years or more. 

This week I changed to uBlock Origin and I will never use AdBlock Plus again because uBlock Origin is much better in many aspects. (thanks @HotCakeX for your suggestion). 

But I think it will be wonderful if Edge Chromium had an internal adblocker so strong as uBlock Origin and optimized to not impact to much the memory use. 

@Dennis5mile 

I believe this is not any special Microsoft development and just the 'adblock' that is built into chrome by google. I use quotation marks since it is an advertising (Google) friendly service that aims to only optimise advertising by ensure ads fit certain guidelines and doesn't tend to block anything.
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/07/09/chrome_ad_blocker/ 


uBlock Origin and uBlock are two different adblockers.

I was using AdBlock Plus in the last 5 years or more. 

This week I changed to uBlock Origin and I will never use AdBlock Plus again because uBlock Origin is much better in many aspects. (thanks @HotCakeX for your suggestion). 

But I think it will be wonderful if Edge Chromium had an internal adblocker so strong as uBlock Origin and optimized to not impact to much the memory use. 

@HotCakeX 

 

Different surfing styles may account for our different experiences. There is no confusion about tracking protection and ad blocking. µBO used in advanced user medium mode takes full advantage of its wide-spectrum blocking ability and is not simply about ad blocking or tracking protection. In the right hands it can block malware and act as a virtual firewall for the browser - even with a very limited number of custom filters or the limited filter lists recommended by its developer. Maybe you are confused about µBO?

 

I think Edge's tracking protection is good for what it does, especially for the set-and-forget user, which I am not. And this is why I made this suggestion re: Tracking Protection  

https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/Discussions/Top-feedback-summary-for-August-29/m-p/829765

ublock origin has no medium mode. if you say it does then show me the exact screenshot.
mention some of those sites where Edge's tracking protection blocks ads.

@nikitat1260 

 

Your suggestion is a good one. My YouTube friends swear by Opera citing this reason among others. I believe Edge can ramp up features like you suggest, like giving more granular control directly from the address bar fly-out to block scripts, etc. Brave browser has incorporated some of these fairly well in some of its versions, but 

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That doesn't answer any of my questions and it's unrelated lol

i didn't ask how ublock works o.O cause i already know it.

@HotCakeX 

 

You asked me to show you where medium mode is. Either you didn't read the relevant Wiki section or you need it spelled out for you:

https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/Blocking-mode:-medium-mode

 

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Try reading the entire wiki and you may learn something. :lol::lol::lol:

You seem to have confused it once again, i was referring to "medium mode" as an option in the ublock origin's UI, not in some wiki article page.
of course i know that article and know that there is no such thing as medium mode to select in ublock origin's UI or options that's why i was surprised.

@HotCakeX 

 

Of course you won't find it in the UI. Mode is a method of use, i.e. user mode, which was my original reference.

 

As to Tracking Protection, example #1 is Balanced Tracking Protection and shows the top banner, and example #2 is Strict with no banner:

 

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Seriously?
what are those extension icons on the browser toolbar then that look like adblockers?
and it's not an add. it's part of the website's UI that is now broken by using strict option. lol

@HotCakeX 

 

Strict:

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Balanced:

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Basic:

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Quoting myself again:
"what are those extension icons on the browser toolbar then that look like adblockers?"

@HotCakeX 

this is the strict settings on YouTube, one of the most popular websites in the world with my ublock turned off.

 

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@HotCakeX 

Broken but not unusable.

 

Extensions:

Privacy Possum - a tracking blocker (not an ad blocker, but you already knew that -right?)

Cookie AutoDelete - eats cookies - right?

Bitdefender Trafficlight - blocks phishing and malware sites, right?

 

So Tracking Protection is tracking protection which does happen to block some ads, as faulty as the implementation may be. Seriously! LOL!

Not right Lmao
all of them can have any unwanted effect on website loading. that's not how tests are done.
on strict mode, instead of blocking the tracker, it deletes the place it occupies on the web page, that's how it makes you think it's actually blocking ads. ;)

@HotCakeX 

 

I've tested Tracking Protection every which way - by itself, with µBO in easy mode, medium mode, etc. It's not a bad tracking blocker and it does block some ads regardless of your view, but it's for the-set-and-forget crowd - whichever way they use it. However, its implementation is limited if one expects more from it than what it is. 

I've tested it too that much.
It's not "my view", it's the reality and how it works.
on strict mode, instead of blocking the tracker, it deletes the place it occupies on the web page, leaving things broken.
so it's practically useless.
balanced = 99% ads shown but websites don't break
strict = 98% ads shown and websites do break

it does great job at tracking prevention but it's so bad at blocking ads without breaking websites.

@nikitat1260 Yes, one of the big reasons people switch to chrome is to get rid of the "try Google Chrome" Google ads. If they blocked ads, this problem would be solved.

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