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it's just a alpha version , so we have to wait and see what / how Microsoft edge team will make . the final version could be out on end of summer or fall this year . as you know bad thing is worse than nothing . so, the team don't have enough time, they should delay the release to end of the year !

@BruceLH @Damix 
Have you tried the "ask where to save each file before downloading" option in Settings? That should bring up the Save As dialog for every download. 

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Well, yes. But this forces you to ALWAYS choose where to save stuff. But what about when you just want it directly in Downloads? IE had a choice, as did Edge. Why couldn't they continue the trend? It's what made them different, since everyone else always force a preset--choose location or choose every time. No way to make a choice for choosing default or custom.

 

Or at least, that's what my preference would be. No idea about the opener of the problem.

@makuc Could you clarify which specific options you are referring to in IE in Classic Edge? Are you referring to the inline ability to choose "Save" or "Save As" or "Open" as displayed below for every download? Or are you referring to something else? Thanks!

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Yes, this is the one. I guess adding a choice like "ask each time" for those like me would make it awesome, instead of it only being "Save to Downloads" or "Ask where to download".
Thanks for the explanation, I'll forward your feedback to our team!

I agree. 

And I really like the old favorite button on the toolbar and it is way much better design than chrome. 

It doesn't take extra height like the bookmark bar, and it saves a lot of clicks to find bookmarks from the hamburger menu.

@IrinaL I'm currently using the "ask where to save each file before downloading option" and I feel it's about 75% as useful as the old functionality where you can choose each time. This is because there are times where I want to save multiple things to the same location so using the Save was more convenient for those cases. 

 

While on the subject, I've also found myself really missing the Open option as well. I didn't realize how much I used it until it was gone. I use Edge Canary for most everything but I find myself going back to Classic Edge just for this one feature. The use case for me is grading student assignments. They are all submitted online and having to download each one, then individually open each file is very time consuming. Being able to simply press a single Open button is a huge time saver. I know it doesn't sound like it but over the course of 20+ files it really adds up. I think this would be the case for anyone that has to open a lot of little files in fairly rapid succession. I realize this isn't a common scenario but for those of us that are doing this it is a major efficiency boost.

@IrinaL I'm currently using the  "ask where to save each file before downloading" option but I'd say it's only about 75% as useful as the old Save | Save As feature. This is because I often save multiple files to the same location so the old Save was more convenient for that.

 

While on the subject of the old file dialog, I've found I really miss the Open option. I use the new Edge for most everything but find myself going to back to Classic for this one feature. The use case for me is grading student assignments. I realize this is a pretty niche use case but I imagine anyone that has to open lots of file in fairly rapid succession would appreciate the efficiency gain. Instead of having to download a file, then open that file, then delete the file, I just press the open button. It really speeds things up for me. 

I totally agree with the other posts,

New edge should keep the UI of original, especially :

  • on unified toolbox with bookmarks, reading lists, history and download
  • settings integrated with the UI not as an HTML page

 

@Damix 

If you click on the file recently download from the bar at the bottom it opens up.
I kind of like the new look of Edge, but I could also see how you don't like it. I really liked the "old" Edge without the rounding too, but I also kind of like the Frankensteinian monster mash-up. I think that there should be options for round edges or not, and how much rounding to apply.

I really do hope that they do not keep the UI of newEdge like it is now. (Although I appreciate Dark Mode :D) Still, I was sad when I saw the news that Microsoft might be switching their Edge browser (poor project spartan) and then when they officially announced it - I (personally) ran into maybe a total of 20 problems over the 4 and 1/2 years that I used the browser, but whatever looks like we're switching.

I agree with the comment that the UI currently seems to be a very scrambled version of Chrome and Windows 10 - almost like I accidentally opened chrome but chrome loaded the wrong icons and decided for a day it was going to connect me to my Microsoft account instead of my Google account - but I hope that they do make the UI much more like the current Edge Browser, that one uses the design language of Windows 10 Fluent Design, not the ultraflat style of Google's Material Design. If i was looking for that design style, I would go to Chrome - they are basically the same browser underneath now. Also, I realize that rounded edges do appear to be slowly making their way into Fluent design (take a look at the UI when you search for something on the taskbar) but I hope they add the Reveal/Acryllic and such from Fluent Design :D

I also hope that they add the Reveal effect.

@sjwestern 


@sjwestern wrote:
If you click on the file recently download from the bar at the bottom it opens up.

All of us know how to open a downloaded file, that's not the point.

 

Many times I have to read or edit documents "on the fly" without the need to save the original document on the local computer.

 

With the new Edge (and with Chrome) every time i click on the link it download the files in the default location so in the download folder you end up with 2, 3, 4 or even more useless copies of the same file that pollute your download folder.

Even more if you enable the option "Ask where to save each file before downloading" you need to provide a save location before you can open the file making the thing more annoying.

 

With the old Edge (and with IE) instead when click on a link and select "Open" the browser not only download silently in the temp folder (which will be cleared after some time) but if you try to open multiple times the same file from the same link the browser uses the same cached file without downloading multiple copies of the that file, without wasting space and opening the file much faster


@Damix 

Perhaps I used Classic Edge too rarely, but I actually like the new split of History/Downloads/Favorites.

 

Perhaps it's easier to find things when they occupy more screen space. This browser does get used by desktop users, who have lots of real estate. And, when I use my laptop, I do prefer having the full window instead of just the sidebar.

 

We now get a filters, day-by-day grouping, & a search bar for downloads, all big wins for me:

 

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@ikjadoon We aren't complaining about having the dedicated pages for downloads, history, favorites. We are complaining about not having the ability to choose. Sometimes you need to find something quickly, sometimes you simply want to track progress of multiple downloads simultaneously while reading something else online. And sometimes you are simply re-organizing your favorites.

 

Why would you want to switch tabs, while you can have the increased productivity when you can access all of them from a pinned sidebar? You can track downloading progress, you can click on a favorite to get your current tab redirected, see result, and either delete it or move on to the next one.

 

Or you have to close the tab, switch back to the previous one, and open the next link in a new tab. Even to do that, you have to know shortcuts to open result in a new tab instead of the same one, or you risk getting your history, where you scrolled really far down, getting redirected to the link clicked, and upon returning, you have to scroll all the way down once again to find your previous spot.

 

It's just inconvenient for a lot of scenarios. Which is why some of us really loved it and, hence, would love it back.

@IrinaL I'm still waiting for this to get fixed. A bug existent even in Chrome to-date, but a but none-the-less.

 

So, lets play a game called: Which is the active tab?

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Yes, not a lot of people open this many tabs in a single windows, but it happens. And the active tab gradually gets hidden! See which is the active tab? No? Well, it's on the far-right-side, only you can't see it!

 

I've already reported this bug quite some time ago, no idea where, but it should also have been through feedback-button. Anyway, time to get this fixed-bring back the old Edge scroll-able tabs selector (arrows on the right-most and left-most side of the tabs when they become too small)!

@IrinaL Following on from the SAVE / SAVE AS discussion I'd also like the ability to have some file types simply open even if the default action is to open the save prompt.  For example an Outlook calendar appointment (.ICS file), does not need to be saved.  It would be nice if simply got added to my Outlook calendar.  Similarly with my remote desktop link (.RDP file), I don't want to save a copy every time I connect to the server, I'd just like it to open.  

 

I'm sure there are other file types like this so my suggestion is that under the SAVE options there is a sub category where we can change the default behaviour for specified file types like this.

 

Of course having the OPEN option displayed alongside the SAVE/SAVE AS button as per EDGE ORIGINAL would work as well and seems to have been requested by plenty of other people in this thread.

I respect having a choice, though it might add development overhead.

For me, personally, I have the same needs, but maybe have gotten used to other browsers, so I hadn't had the time to fall in love with the sidebar menu: CTRL+J to open downloads, search, and then CTRL+W to close it, for example. Download progress, I do just use the download bar at the bottom (though I wish it showed speeds!).

I see your points: thank you for the well-written post. I hope they take these use cases into account for either adding the sidebar menu and/or somehow duplicating these features with their current menu.

Or, worse comes to worst, since it's just another tab, maybe an extension could be developed? But, I see the desire for native integration.
SO FAR THIS BROWSER HAS BEEN VERY FAST AND USES AVERAGE RESOURCES, PLEASE KEEP IT LIGHT AND FAST. DON´T ADD TOO MANY FEATURES, TRY TO MAINTAIN THA BASICS....LEAN IS THE KEY WORD!

@makuc Agreed, the whole shrinking tabs thing is, in my opinion, the single worst UI/UX decision in web browser history. I'm really hoping that the Edgemium team can come up with a better solution. (I don't suppose vertical tabs are too much to ask for? :p )

@EduardoMartinez Features we are requesting are so minor resource wise it's nearly negligible, and they are pretty much already implemented elsewhere, they only need some mapping to shortcuts. And having those features added far outweighs the cost they would incur from end-user. If these things aren't to your liking, use Chrome. This Frankenstein is barely distinguishable from it by this point.

 

And being light doesn't equate being fast and responsive. For instance, PDF reader sucks, as does touch scrolling. Well, at least compared to the old Edge. That was the one feature making me use Edge over Chrome and Firefox for reading, the thing I spend most of the time on. This DevEdge doesn't yet come even close, but here are my fingers crossed we'll get there eventually.

 

The reason we are even discussing this and requesting features is because we loved the old Edge, despite some of its faults, or we wouldn't be looking at the early stages of its successor and trying to contribute ideas which work great for it already.

 

What consumes resources is page rendering, page content storage and unloading from memory, JS engine for web scripts execution... The UI has minimal impact overall.

A complete new name to distant themselves from the old "Edge" might be something for MS to consider to be in order. The current Edge is tarnished name wise. The current Edge has only a 4 percent share of the Browser Market. Only Opera is behind them. This new re-coded Chromium version is far superior to the old Edge (and even Chrome itself) that hopefully people's sour image of the old "Edge" or confusion of not realizing it had changed to a new source engine taints the browser from being used. For some people just hearing the name "Edge" will prevent them from trying it. Maybe a whole new name will have this new version stand on it's own, and distant itself from the old Edge. Even if it's a new variant of Edge name. Like "The Silver Edge" or "Edge Explorer" browser or something. Noticed how even though IE is long dead, it's still used by people and even out beat Edge in the usage polls, probably because of it's good past reputation and everyone associating IE to Microsoft where as Edge never really caught on. That's just my two cents for what it's worth if anything.

A complete new name to distant themselves from the old "Edge" might something to be considered my MS. The current Edge name is somewhat tainted. The current Edge has only a 4 percent share of the Browser Market. Only Opera is behind them. This new re-coded Chromium version is far superior to the old Edge (and even Chrome itself) that hopefully people's sour image of the old "Edge" or confusion of not realizing it had changed to a new source engine taints the browser from being used. For some people just hearing the name "Edge" will prevent them from trying it. Maybe a whole new name will have this new version stand on it's own, and distant itself from the old Edge. Even if it's a new variant of Edge name. Like "The Silver Edge" or "Edge Explorer" browser or something. Noticed how even though IE is long dead, it's still used by people and even out beat Edge in the usage polls, probably because of it's good past reputation and everyone associating IE to Microsoft where as Edge never really caught on. That's just my two cents for what it's worth if anything.
Nadella was talking about "Intelligent Cloud and Intelligent Edge", so at least they could use that for marketing purposes. Cloud Explorer or literally Intelligent Edge (integrated image search, translation, collections, security etc), it would fit perfectly.

I'm also hoping they will redesign the icon/logo, because the current one is just terrible. They need to go back to the roots and use the IE logo as the foundation. Make something modern/fresh but with a hint of nostalgia.

@vovchyk If you ignore phone browsing and just consider desktop PC's the picture will look quite a bit different.

I agree with your PDF statement. I was printing small sections of a large PDF using Chromium Edge recently, and the scrolling was very, very choppy. Additionally, every time I printed a section then tried to scroll down, it wouldn’t let me scroll for about 10 seconds after I started the print job. This is definitely very annoying and needs to be fixed.
The download UI is one of my huge complaints also, and there definitely needs to be at least an option to change between Chrome style download UI and something like old Edge download UI.
I agree, the current download UI is the worst ever. Downloaded stuff appears at the bottom, and there's no persistent "downloads" button up there in the toolbar. You have to open the hamburger menu or press ctrl + j. Opera's solution is quite decent, actually. If they can combine that and and add some parts from the old Edge, we'll have a winner.
I also don't like that in fullscreen mode, when you hover at the top of the page, the little circle with the "X" comes down instead of the entire address bar.
https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/Discussions/F11-Fullscreen-Improvements-Other-Similar-Improve...
I do like the print UI though, but I think it would be nice to have it in its own resizable and movable window thing, like the old Edge, instead of having it be stuck in the same place covering most of the screen.

@Damix Another thing to add: If the browser is opened and Dark Mode gets toggled, the browser's theme properly changes. However, this isn't true for the Console / Developer Tools (and maybe some other little components I haven't noticed) - it uses the previous theme until you close that sub-menu and open it up once again. It'd be great if this gets fixed as well, even if it is just a minor annoyance...

 

EDIT:

As of now, Settings and similar pages react the same way as the general UI when toggling Dark Mode - i.e., they properly transit from dark to light and reverse. However, Console and Developer Tools still need to be manually toggled (close them and then re-open them)!

@Damix Sadly I thing we're stuck with the "hey I'm not really Chrome (but I am)" design and UI but with some Windows icons. New Edge actually fits better into the design of Macs than it does on Windows. It is very easy (I have done this myself - I'm a developer) to make a window fit the themes of Win10, Win8x and Win7 so that it looks right on either one. I added it to one of our products in a morning. 

 

This is a real shame as it looks like New Edge is simply going to offer the look, feel and functionality of Chrome with a few extensions loaded. MS could have done something special but they have taken the easy route. There will be no compelling reason for those that have Chrome installed to swap over - none at all. 

 

As for removing a whole load of functionality - don't get me started! Perhaps if enough people don't use the new one they'll decide that Egde Classic was always better than New Edge (that's a joke).

@Mace242 

 

They didn't remove anything. They're adding features, the new Edge is basically a clean slate.

That's just semantics. You no longer have all the handy drawing and annotation tools that were available to you. It no longer works in tablet mode properly (back button leaves the application). You no longer have useful history and favorites fly outs. You can't easily pin pages to the start menu. It responds badly to non-standard (96) dpi settings. We are heading for the first beta version which means that we are stuck with the awful clumsy UI and a Microsoft application that looks more like Windows XP than Windows 10. It's amazing that it looks more in place on Macs than on Windows.

Now tell me things haven't gone away and aren't coming back. They have even resorted to cheating on screen shots on pages like https://www.microsoftedgeinsider.com/en-ca/whats-next in order to make the new Edge look more like the old one.

@Mace242 

 

Well if they don't add those things "back", the new Edge is going to fail hard (again). They need to be better than any other browser out there. I also think it's time to see some Fluent, the current version looks almost exactly like Chrome and I hate that. Even this would be much better than the current version: https://twitter.com/itsMichaelWest/status/1126474855958876160/photo/1

The new Favorite button is a step in the right direction, but still not what we need. In the classic Edge the old panes (Favorite, History, Download, ect.) could be pinned to the side, this new flyout always disappear when click somewhere. We need the option to pin this flyout, but is even more important to have a pinnable flyout also for History and Download!

It would also be good to implement Aero Peek feature again. It can be useful but long ago Google Chrome dropped the support for it. Maybe it's time for a comeback?

@coffee351 

Sorry, don't know your name but, Welcome :smile:

Windows, also, dropped Aero quite a long while back and it is not coming back.  It is, actually, an OS thing not, a browser thing.  We have to enjoy Acrylic and Transparency effects TE On.jpg.


Cheers,
Drew
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Maybe I used the wrong term.
Aero is not going anywhere - all the effects are still intact. Only transparency is missing but it can be re-enabled with the utility "Aero Glass for Win8+". Nobody removed Aero's code, including transparency. What I'm mentioning is previewing multiple tabs from the taskbar. Like in IE - open a couple of tabs then hover on the icon.

Hi @coffee351, I don't believe that the current plan is to show peeks of every open tab.  Our current version of Microsoft Edge only shows the active tab on each browser window.  If you feel strongly that we need a peek for every open tab, please go ahead and send us a smiley with that feedback.  Thanks - Elliot

@Elliot Kirk @coffee351

Elliot, If I am understanding this correctly, I am going to be bold enough to correct you.  We are talking page "Thumbnails".  I cannot supply a snip as it won't hold for a 'picture'.  Anyway, in Edge, with multiple tabs going in a single browser window... hoovering at each of the tabs, each and every one, will/does show a thumbnail picture of ALL of them; not, just only the Active tab.  Try it, open several sites in 1 Edge window & hoover at each one... 

Cheers,
Drew
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I think you mean this right? @Drew1903 
I hope that thumbnail previews on tabs would return, alongside with that optional show tab previews always button just on the right side of new tab button.

 

@Elliot Kirk @coffee351

@archtech 

Sorry, I don't know your name, but, yes, that is what I mean... good you managed a 'photo'.  And, good mention of the Show tab previews which, I should have included. I have to admit, some Edge pieces we have come to take for granted as 'standard equipment' that is kind of unnatural to have to be pointing them out specifically & individually to the Edge C Build Team, repeatedly. I cannot recall when we 1st started mentioning Thumbnails, for example & here we are, STILL, mentioning it.  Is it being heard?  Are they working it? Is it coming?  Same questions existing about this and other pieces, too...

Cheers,
Drew (not, at drew 1903)
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I have already done that. That's a good idea and it's a shame Chrome dropped it. Thank you.

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