04-08-2019 09:51 AM - edited 04-08-2019 11:17 AM
04-08-2019 09:56 AM
04-08-2019 10:01 AM
Maybe New Tabs open with your "Homepage" if set is not the best option. There is the Home Button to do that.
04-08-2019 10:26 AM
@Damix Hey, yeah i have that also enabled, and when i open a new tab it doesn't go to bing.com. Im sure its probably a bug early in developement that they will address soon enough. Its not a critical error, its just convenient to access bing rewards and outlook.
04-08-2019 10:58 AM
04-08-2019 11:04 AM
Speaking about consistency, I really dislike how the new Edge looks - it is like a Frankensteinian monster put together from Chrome and Windows 10. While the icons have been adapted to the Windows 10 look and feel, most controls have not (or only partially). Most importantly, nothing should be round, neither the tabs nor the address bar (which looks weirdly too large as well) nor the context menus.
04-08-2019 11:08 AM
This is all great feedback. Thank you everyone. I am ensuring that the right people are seeing this thread. Keep in mind, we are not done making changes to the user experience, so check back often and let us know if we are getting better or not as we go.
Thanks,
Elliot
04-08-2019 12:11 PM
Is there any kind of development map or plan that we can see? Some way of knowing if, say, the UI development is done, etc. It's no use loads of people talking about the lack of fluent UI if it's never going to happen, etc. Or even timescales for new edge as an insider build and planned full release?
04-08-2019 01:35 PM
04-08-2019 01:45 PM
Main reason i use Edge is because fluent desing,
I hate this chrome design
Bring back Fluent Design to fullest!
04-08-2019 05:04 PM
@Damix Totally agree.
@Damix ha escrito:
- Consistency on UI. Add Fluent design effects like shadows and highlight effects.
- Add History, Download, Favorites button on the top bar like in "old" EDGE.
- Add History, Download, Favorites on one place. One page with 3 tab maybe?
- Add a option to display the Open/Save as when download like "old" EDGE.
- Preview page when hovering it in app bar.
- The Account tab when press on the bar button is too small (on my device, Surface GO), the text is very small and almost not readble.
04-08-2019 06:00 PM
@Elliot Kirk This is the beginning of some really great work. People will always hate on aesthetics - can't please everyone. For my part, I like it. I don't spend my browsing time staring at the menus, but interacting with the content on the page. But, I do like the subtle rounded edges more. Also consider that people are more likely to complain than to affirm; my sense - as a service provider myself - is that there has to be a certain amount of dilution applied for vague complaints ("it's new I don't like it").
Specifics: one thing that was problematic with UWP Edge was the font rendering. Font rendering across UWP has been really bad across all the apps, even on quite high DPI monitors. It is nice to interact with fonts properly rendered, as they are in the preview build. Very good work.
My hope is that this will spur Microsoft to get back into the consumer service game, reimagining Maps and Groove for the Android/iOS platforms in order to present the user with a viable alternative ecosystem to the Google hydra.
04-09-2019 01:14 AM
The thing that really struck me when first using the Edge Insider was how washed out all web pages look. For example, the MSN home page looks awful compared to to that rendered in Edge for Windows 10.
Is this how it's supposed to look and Edge for Windows 10 simply exagerates the colours to make it look good? Or does Edge Insider have an issue with rendering things correctly?
For me, this simple issue is ruining the experience.
04-09-2019 02:36 AM - edited 04-09-2019 04:24 AM
04-09-2019 07:27 AM - edited 04-10-2019 09:47 PM
I would like to add more:
- Make new Edge Chromium to have exactly similar UI from existing Edge UWP like with sharper corners, menu animations, button sizes, titlebar height (currently they are few pixels different and the window buttons are in different sizes than on Edge), and few UI animations that in Edge like icons.
- Maybe not a popular suggestion, but it would be great to have an option to auto-hide the scrollbar and only shows the small bar when you scroll. This maximize the webpage window more. It just looks so modern and nicer with web sites not having out-of-place looking scrollbar.
- Slide/Swipe gesture animation for Forward and Back like on existing Edge UWP. Chromium already does support this gesture, but only arrow shows up which is not an obvious UI action behavior like a whole webpage slides left or right. Old Metro IE actually did it best as there is a saved preview of the webpage as you swipe.
- Edge Chromium hopefully will make touch usability as a priority too, hopefully even better than Edge UWP. We need a tablet mode that is optimized for tablet use especially on smaller screen sizes, which is also beneficial when you snap Edge window.
- New Tab pinned websites needs to have drag-and-drop functionality. Make it square like Live Tiles and have sharper corners for design language consistency. Just retain the shadow effect and add Reveal Highligh effect from Fluent Design. It needs to allow more pins too.
- New Tab page needs to follow dark theme also.
That's all for now. Looking forward for more Edge Chromium improvements! :)
04-09-2019 07:30 AM
04-09-2019 07:38 AM - edited 05-26-2019 03:51 AM
Indeed! It would be perfect if they can literally copy the Edge UI pixel by pixel would be fine. For now we just need same Edge we know and love but based on Chromium included its added improvements that Edge UWP didn't have.
Basically clone copy of Edge UWP at UI level, but Chromium underneath.
Edit: I would also want to add, keep the New Tab page, this one is definitely an improvement from the old Edge UWP.
04-09-2019 07:44 AM
04-09-2019 07:46 AM
I agree with what others have been saying, for me my biggest three isuses are:
04-09-2019 09:03 AM
@muellech wrote:
... the address bar ... looks weirdly too large ...
Try the experimental options (edge://flags). One or two of them allow you to change the size of the omnibox and its text, e.g. edge://flags/#omnibox-ui-desired-font-size
04-09-2019 09:09 AM
@exa2552 wrote:
- Add Dark Mode (ouch, my eyes!)
04-09-2019 09:32 AM - edited 04-09-2019 09:34 AM
@Damix I'm sure they already are working on adding fluent design, after all we are only in the beginning of the Anaheim testing (just the start of development for MS Edge team as they started assuming it was in December, 2018 which has only made 5 months of development) at this stage. With time (and effort with feedback support) they will eventually add it, I would prefer however that Downloads has its seperate page as in my opinion I agree with how Chromium puts the Downloads in its own area so if I wanted to see my downloads I know where to go. For favourites and history, they should be integrated on the top bar as you said. Overall, Edge will eventually carry its old features over to the new but for now its pin pointing what's needed in this current stage.
Thanks for reading, peace :)
Eddytronpie
04-09-2019 06:48 PM
@Elliot Kirk, is there a time in particular when our build gets updated? I'd like to know when to expect Edge to have changed? I'd like to know when I should start looking for fixes. It really boils down to my earlier request to be informed about changes. The more informed we are, the better a job we can do for you.
04-09-2019 10:36 PM
04-10-2019 06:43 AM - edited 04-10-2019 06:44 AM
Around 63% of the world's browser users agree with you. A majority of people who post here may like Fluent better, but keep in mind that they represent a vast minority of the only 6% of users who use Edge. So we're talking about a subset of a subset of a subset.
04-10-2019 07:10 AM - edited 04-10-2019 05:03 PM
@vovchykI think that is an oversimplification of design preference. The huge popularity of Chrome over other browsers stems from its ubiquitousness on Android devices and their prevalence in the market. That is not going to change by Edge changing its look and feel. Microsoft needs differentiators to attract users otherwise just use Chrome. I for one would stop using Edge, if it was basically a Chrome clone.
04-10-2019 07:21 AM
04-10-2019 07:36 AM
04-10-2019 12:34 PM - edited 04-10-2019 12:38 PM
I'm curious. Could you please elaborate more on how Google is unwilling to follow web standards? I personally feel Blink is the only engine that quickly adds support for a new feature. See inputmode attribute support on caniuse.com and Chrome's score on Can I Use homepage.
04-10-2019 05:00 PM
04-10-2019 05:08 PM
@amazingcaio I was a little overzealous with my claim and realize it only muddled the point I was trying to make. I have removed that portion from my comment. Additionaly, in all fairness to Google I can find no credible source to support it.
04-10-2019 05:25 PM
@vovchyk I don't disagree that given its current market share this is the correct path for MS to take financially. I do disagree that the reason for this has anything to do with the aesteic of the browser itself. I'd written out a lot more but I feel I'm starting to digress from the purpose of this forum so I'll stop with that. Needless to say, I'm a fan of the MS app look (Office, OneNote, Windows 10, etc.) and hope they continue that with the new Edge.
And to answer your question, I'd most likely switch to FireFox if Edge became a Chrome clone.
04-10-2019 06:26 PM
@hferreira107* I forgot to finish the sentence I had started about the Chrome xD
Chrome in time to time become slow, buggy, not responsive, and the worst problem is that he consumes a huge amount of RAM even with a few tabs opened.
At this point, this new Edge works lots better than Chrome.
I did a RAM consumption test with the same amount of tabs (same pages, same usage), both with no extensions enabled, and the Edge consumes less memory, but, I think, a few more improvements can be done.
04-10-2019 06:50 PM
One of the things I love in the current Edge is that the pages load very fast and, even heavy pages.
For example, the Facebook feed loads very fast, almost in real time as you scroll the feed.
Something that does not happen in the Chrome or with this new Edge, Firefox or in other browsers.
I think the EdgeHTML and Chakra engine have more performance than the Blink and V8 JS engine.
I hope the devs can do the same work, optimizations, improvements, implementations, etc, but for the Blink and V8 JS engine.
As @BruceLH said, if Edge is to become a Chrome clone, I will definitely switch to Firefox.
04-10-2019 08:47 PM
04-11-2019 06:52 AM
04-18-2019 02:03 PM
I have attached 3 files which highlight the tab bar, address bar and fav bar for Old Edge, Chrome and New Edge.
Obviously Chrome and Old Edge look way better when considered the following:
Hopefully Microsoft can make some changes when they finally ship this off, otherwise this is a nice productNew Edge
Old Edge
Chrome
04-18-2019 02:44 PM
Yeah, it really really needs some transparency, acrylic and reveal effects, as well as the smooth animations that actually make sense from the old Edge, for example: the context menus had an animation coming from where the cursor actually is, not just some basic fade-in effect.
04-25-2019 02:49 AM
04-25-2019 09:24 AM
@muellech wrote:Speaking about consistency, I really dislike how the new Edge looks - it is like a Frankensteinian monster put together from Chrome and Windows 10. While the icons have been adapted to the Windows 10 look and feel, most controls have not (or only partially). Most importantly, nothing should be round, neither the tabs nor the address bar (which looks weirdly too large as well) nor the context menus.
Hear! Hear! on the controls being round. Chrome still looks like it should be on XP and now newEdge does too. And I don't want to be reminded that this newEdge is Chromium based. To me it's bad enough that Microsoft gave in, but please don't make me look at "Chrome" all the time. I hate Chrome (use oldEdge almost exclusively at home and Firefox at work).
04-25-2019 06:42 PM
Absolutely. Along with privacy and security, UI is one of my top concerns and interest areas for this new Edge.
05-09-2019 12:42 AM
05-09-2019 03:18 AM
05-09-2019 04:45 AM - edited 05-09-2019 04:47 AM
@Elliot Kirk Which is why a "timetable" or something similar, with planned features community can vote on to speed-up the development would be great. Otherwise, everything is just a disorganized mess with people posting their ideas, not even being aware of the ideas of some others-which might be an improvement of their own-because they are too lazy to read them all.