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Ari Suominen
Occasional Contributor

From the old Edge I´m missing most is the Reading list function. I have used that from the beginning and it has been a lifesaver in my work. Please add it to this new Edge as well

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@Ari Suominen Yeah we need to get that added back on. It's too important for my job to not have. Do not release new edge/replace old edge, without it.

@Ari Suominen 

I wanted to ask this more pointed question:-

Will the mooted "offline" Reading List feature that was included in Edge HTML but never fully activated be added to Edge Chromium?
(I did get one reply to a question I posed, I think back in 2015,on the promised offline capability that reply said simply and unequivocably
""At this time, the reading list is not available offline in Microsoft Edge, but we’re working on it for a future update"

In my opinion it is a pretty useless add on anyway. because in EdgeHTML it does nothing that adding a URL to the Favorites list already does and now that Edge Chromium sensibly includes an Internet Exploder like facility to Save a webpage complete you can save the whole webpage for off line viewing i.e.reading anyway

@JohnFowles

 

While I understand your point of view, I disagree with excluding it. Here is the reason why.

 

My job requires me to stay updated in many different areas. This generated a ton of reading and a lot of information that the reading list provides alot of insight for. For example, I will generate about 25-30 articles per work day. Not only do I need to keep track of what I need to read, but also how long it's been since it was added to the reading list. One of the biggest problems with favorites is that it gets cluttered after awhile. realize that if I add 100 articles a week, that will overtake my favorites of common sites I use pretty quickly. And since Favorites doesn't provide information as to how long something has been sitting there (how long it's been since I added the article), it would be harder for me to chronologically determine what articles I need to read first.

 

If NewEdge does not include the Reading List I will have to find another way to handle this, and unfortunately there are no good alternatives.

 

As far as saving a web page, lets see what your computer will look like after saving 100 articles a week. The management of that alone will take a long time.

I waiting for that reading list also. I will just like to keep the articles i was reading away from the sites i visit often.

@Ari Suominen I heavily suspect that Reading List will get the chop when it comes to importing features over to New Edge. Microsoft have just retired the 'Books' section on the Microsoft Store and will no longer be selling them. They may deem it not worth the time to build in the feature and stick to just the PDF reader. There is hope it might be included to pacify the education market which is something quite important at the moment.

@Cameron_Bush I think they discontinued the books section of the Store because they weren't getting many sales in it. Amazon keeps dominating that market.

@Phillip FrabottMost definitely. The Reading List was only added as a way to facilitate store bought books instead of having a stand alone app. Now they don't sell books there is little point for them to rebuild it into New Edge.



I never associated the reading list with books. I used it exclusively for keeping track of news articles and other information on the internet. I really hope they keep the reading list otherwise I'll have to find another browser to use.

@Phillip Frabott Ditto. My thoughts exactly. I hold in the reading list articles which I need in my job. It's much easier to keep them there than in bookmarks/favourites. It is a functionality that for me has nothing to do with books, so I do not understand the "book" reference at all. 

Reading list is a functionality that you either use or don't, but it should be there no matter what :)

@Ari Suominen 

I miss the Reading List as well.  I replaced the functionallity by exportiong the Reading List in the old Edge to an HTML file.  I then imported the file into the Preview version, renamed it "Reading List" and then moved it to the Favorites Bar.  I now have almost the same thiong as before.

Old Edge crashed when I tried to do that since i have over 2500 items in the reading list. We seriously need this feature added back in.

Hi @Ari Suominen, this is a facinating thread.  There definitely seems like there is an unmet need for people to be able to catalog and manage certain portions of their browsing history or intentions.  I will let the team know about this thread and the feedback that you and everyone on this thread have offered us.  Thank you all for taking the time to try out our new version of Microsoft Edge and again for offering us this feedback.

Elliot

Whisper you said you exported your reading list to an html file. But I do not understand what you meant by that because I cannot get an actual list in text format only icons telling me what items comprise my own list.
so what exactly was the content of the HTML file that you then imported  into the Preview version, renamed it "Reading List" and then moved it to the Favorites Bar????

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how the f... do you insert a flaming screenshot nothing I tried
works it was there all the f'ing time!!

@JohnFowles 

Hi John,

Here is the process in more detail:  Open old Edge and 1) click on the three periods in the top right corner, 2) click on settings, 3} Click on "Import or Export" (middle of page), 4) In third section from top, select "Reading List" and   click "Export to File", 5) Select a location where you want the file, and then click "Save".

Now open Edge Preview and import the file you just saved following pretty much the same steps and locations above --except now you are importing. Finally, click on the three dots and select Favorites.  All your Favorites and Reading List folder will show.  Drag the Reading List into the Favorites Bar List area wherever you want it.  I put mine right under the Favorites Bar title so the Reading List appears at the far left edge of the screen.   The end result is not as "pretty" as in Edge, but they work. 

This is an interesting thread. If folks are willing - i'll be curious to hear what are other use cases folks used Edge Reading List for? i can promise to pass on the feedback to the appropriate product owners.

 

thanks!

+1 For reading list functionality. One of my favorite features in Safari as well.

I know I'm late to the conversation but would also like to add my vote to add the reading list to the new (future) Edge. I don't use it as much as some seem to but I use it a lot especially when reading Wikipedia articals. I usually save the links that go to other atical and come back to read them later if I don't have time at the moment. @Ari Suominen 

@amitkun I too, would like the Reading List added back to Edge.  I use it regularly for two purposes: 1. To save web articles I find when doing my daily reading but do not want to spend the time reading the acticle then.  For example, I look at Tom's Hardware almost every day,  It frequently has in-depth articles (long) that I definitely want to read but I don't want to spend the time when I am doing my daily reading.  And, 2.  I add sections of  game "walkthroughs" to the Reading LIst.  For example, I currently am playing Fallout 76.  It has numerous quets than contian a half dozen locations/steps to complete.         

 

In both cases, I can find what I am looking for quickly and dispose of the items when I am done with them.  Conceptually, it is like the Desktop is supposed to be for Windows.

Totally agree, it's a very great feature to add to the new Edge. Especially to have more features than other explorers.

Great feedback.
Greetings.

@Ari Suominen 

Hi Ari,

I am quite sure this is a known issue.  People have been indicating this is a "Must have", a "Keeper" for while. Now, it's :crossed_fingers: that it we see it, soon.

Cheers,
Drew
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I am new to the forum - reading list is important to me too. Though what they implemented in old Edge was poor compared to the original reading list app. If implemented, hope they add categories.

@amitkun The base usage scenario for me is to put articles in the Reading List on my phone's Edge on iOS and read them later on my desktop, or indeed any other device when I have the time. I dispose of them once I've read them, so it's not something I want to put into favourites. 

 

In principle an extension such as Pocket serves this purpose, but it was nice to have this built in right there.

Thank you for sharing! @wigster 

@Ari Suominen Though the New Edge is faster and maybe better than the original, the Reading List makes me stay at the old.

I hope thw Microsoft will implement it in the new Edge, also

@Aris Papachristou 

Indeed, Aris, we all are hoping the same thing for this and a few other Edge must-haves, must-keeps since new Edge will replace current Edge they DO need to be included.  We are being told they will be... and things are showing up, although, not all at once.  But it is good there are comments & requests sharing SO much common ground & the same expressed by SO many people.  We are asked for patience.  The Team certainly know what Users want, it's repeatedly stated similarly by person after person.  The stuff has to go in that will make people smile & be happy enough w/ (new) Edge to, actually, use it.  And if people, already, use Edge because of it having certain things then obviously it's a no-brainer that those same things MUST continue to be Edge things!

Cheers,
Drew
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It seems to me that Collections are in improved version of the Reading List. It would then, however, be nice to be able to have our Reading List from the legacy Edge easily migrated into Collections. One could also simply create a collection called Reading List in order to separate it from your other Collections.
One of the things I was using the Reading List for was to triage articles on my phone’s Edge browser to be read later on my desktop. Collections are to complicated a feature to be put on the mobile browser probably, but a mobile reading list could appear as a particular collection on the Desktop.

@wigster 

This is a comment to the thread rather than any individual.  There is a fundamental point here.  Now Reading List & Collections are being jointly discussed.  This goes back to what Favs.jpg is in Edge!  It is not nothing more than a display of ones Favorites... it includes ones Reading List! 
Filist.jpg
In other words, in Edge C, right now, we have, an incomplete Favs.jpg and Collections.

Maybe just put Collections where Reading List is, now (underlined in red, above); meaning Collects would replace Reading List. <-- Just a thought...

Cheers,
Drew
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Yes. collections are different than reading list in a way that collections only save a link to a content on the web whereas reading list saves the actual content locally for off line reading later, even without internet connection, and it also syncs it between all of your devices.

Reading list is a must have! collections have different use cases.
Yeah that's my only grip with collections is that it does not work offline. This makes it unfeasible as a reading list replacement. Now, if they can make collections work in offline mode then we might have a contender for a reading list replacement but since collections is not exactly designed for that, I think having all your collections offline will not work very well.

@Phillip Frabott 

Phillip, that was my point.  If the Team thinks or wants us to think Collections replaces Reading List, it, really, doesn't/can't.  Ergo, it's fine to have added Collections... but, it doesn't really belong discussed together with Reading List AND goes back to the fact that, thus far, Edge C has given an incomplete Favs.jpg or another example of messing with or omitting things in Edge that should be left the way they are!

The remark grew out of someone suggesting Collections to be an improved 'reading list'.  Collections may be great, but, Reading List is missing & that's unacceptable..

Cheers,
Drew
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Yes true. though you can export your collections to word or excel and keep them offline, but you know, it's just extra work, reading list would take care of this automatically.

@HotCakeX 

 

Except not everyone has Word and Excel on all their devices. I'd have to test out if it actually downloads the entire web site (even when just a link is provided) when exporting. Something tells me it doesn't.

If you tried a collection export you'd see that it always opens it in Word and Excel online, doesn't rely on installed versions of them.

@HotCakeX 

 

You are aware that Word Online and Excel Online require an "ONLINE" connection. We are specifically talking about offline access which reading list provides. In addition, if we disregard the fact that this is related to offline situations, not everyone has access to Word Online and Excel Online either. So that still wouldn't fix the problem for everyone.

1. adding an article to the reading list requires an Internet connection too. syncing reading list to other devices require Internet connection too.
how can you even add something to the reading list when you are offline? it's impossible.
so first you need an Internet connection to find your content on the web and to add it to the reading list, once added, the reading list will use that Internet connection to save that content locally.
it's the same for collections. you need Internet access to find something on the web and add it to the collection. so once you've added all your contents to your collection, don't disconnect, spend 1 more minute online, export your collection to Word or Excel online, then disconnect your Internet connection.

2. why do you say not everyone has access to Word and Excel online? it's a free service from Microsoft. Everyone can use it with just a free Microsoft account.
having Microsoft account is also a requirement for reading list and collections.

@HotCakeX 

 

Yes, an internet connection is required to add something to the reading list, but once it's on the reading list, you can go offline and are able to read it without an internet connection. An example would be, while I'm in a plane.

 

Yes, everyone with a Microsoft Account, who lives in a country where Word Online and Excel Online are available to that country can access Word Online and Excel Online WHILE THEY ARE ONLINE.

 

However, the two issues are, for my case, I am not allowed to use a Microsoft Account at work (they actually block this completely) which means I cannot use Word Online and Excel Online (AGAIN, WHILE I'M ONLINE). I use Edge with my Azure AD account to sync my Reading List.

 

However, even IF I could use a Microsoft Account, I STILL CANNOT USE WORD ONLINE IF I DO NOT HAVE AN INTERNET CONNECTION. I don't know why you think Word Online works offline. The word ONLINE is even in the name Word Online. I don't think you understand what we are trying to say here about offline reading.


Yes that's how reading list works, my point was that you can use collections the same way. collections and reading lists both have the same restrictions regarding Internet connection availability.

when you add something to the reading list, depending on your connection speed, you have to wait for the browser to download it for offline usage.
when you add something to the collection, you can do this part manually, by exporting your collection to the Word or Excel online and then it will be available for offline usage.

Do you know any countries in which Word or Excel online is not supported?

okay now you mentioned your issue, that's good. the thing is, these export destinations for collection (Word and Excel) are not all of it, the team is still working on adding more options and formats to export the collections to. including but not limited to: Email, OneNote, offline Office products etc. maybe they will add an option in the future to mark a collection to be available offline.

I don't think and never said that Word online works offline, please read my above reply.

@HotCakeX 

 

I was using capital letters to point out parts of my argument that you were ignoring. Mostly the fact that I was specifically talking about offline availability of full site pages, which is what Reading list supports.

 

I had a friend of mine earlier today test out the export option on collections. It does not even come close to how offline mode works in reading list.

 

When you add something to the reading list, after a moment it will cache an offline copy of that page. You can then be offline (which I find myself in alot during my travels) and allows me to view the entire content of the page without any internet access at all.

 

Collections only provides a word document with a link to the online-only web page. This is not even close to the same thing as the reading list, which is what I, and several others before me were pointing out. Collections is not, and never will be, a replacement for Reading List, which is the most vital part of Edge for a person like me.

 

And BTW, there are several countries that do not have Word and Excel Online. Since you brought it up, most notably would be Iran, Sudan, and Cuba. There are several others. If you would like more information on this please visit the Microsoft Exports page located here. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/exporting/overview.aspx

 

You can also reference the Microsoft International Availability page to see which countries Microsoft software and services are available, and notice the lack of several nations from the list. (Word Online and Excel Online are covered under Office 365) https://products.office.com/en-us/business/international-availability

@Phillip Frabott 

Phillip,

Having read the exchanges here about Reading List... I must say you are spot-on in regard to the Off-line part.  When Reading List came to Edge, one of the very "big deal" aspects of it that excited people was the fact that its items could, still, be accessed/read whilst Off-line.  Absolutely, you're dead right.

And thus another reason Reading List & Collections do not/can not equate. 2 different things, different functionality and reasons to exist.  As previously stated, they don't belong in the same conversation, BUT, Reading List DOES belong in Edge C!

Cheers,
Drew
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1. I'm not ignoring anything.
2. If/when collections support offline availability, then they can do what Reading list would do. (pay attention to the part when I say "If/when", I'm not saying "now"). I didn't mean that collections support offline functionality right now. that and Reading List are still not available and just ideas.
3. that site says: "All Microsoft Online Services are unavailable in Cuba, Iran, Democratic People's Republic of Korea, Sudan, and Syria. "
I don't see any problem there.
are you from one of those countries?
if yes then this forum is considered an online Microsoft service too and technically you shouldn't be using it.
if not then don't worry about it. keep using Microsoft office online and if you ever decide to travel to one of those countries, download your office docs to your computer. problem solved
Reading list and the offline feature of collections are still in the air, just ideas.

we are suggesting how the those features could be shaped moving forward.

Read more here: https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/Discussions/Collections-feature-request-Let-us-mark-a-collect...

@HotCakeX 

 

They will have to make Collections work very closely like how Reading List does. Unfortunately in it's current state (even ignoring offline for the moment), it doesn't. When exporting, it doesn't export a copy of the web page, only a link to the web page. They will have to have to be sure that collections, if replacing the Reading List, works exactly as reading list works today, no exports, no extra software, just Edge, with full offline page downloading. This is my point of contention. It doesn't. Now, if they are planning to make a radical shift in how collections works, and it can be done in a single click just as reading list does, no clunky interfaces, no having to specifically choose from a long list of collections, no having to set up special offline collections, it just works without extra setup, then that's fine. I just don't see that happening, at least not any time soon.

 

My response about countries was mostly related to your notion that every country had it (meaning 100% of all countries on planet earth). I figured you were not aware that this wasn't the case. Either way, it doesn't change the fact that I and most of my colleagues do not have access to Office Online because our company specifically bans it from use. We are only permitted to use installed Office Products which my current position does not allot to me at this time. I should never have to buy or use extra software for built-in features, which collections would have to do if it is to replace Reading List. I'm still with the others that these two features are separate and should not be combined.

Yes, of course they will have to, you shouldn't think of collections in its current state as a finished product. it's not even enabled by default, people can only enable it via flags, even on Canary it's not there by default.

Look at this thread, more than 1.5 months old
https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/Discussions/Edge-Collections-Feature-request-and-bug-problem-...

collections have lots of potentials and it's only in the early stages.
yes you shouldn't be forced to buy extra stuff but again collections are not final so be sure that things will definitely change (in a good way) sooner or later.

@HotCakeX 

 

And there in is the reason for all of my posts. To voice concerns. But I've been around Microsoft long enough to know they they do not do a very good job at listening to people. Only years after something has been made do they finally add things in. An example would be Groove. They never did add all the great features Groove had to SkyDrive/OneDrive. To this day, OneDrive is missing 80% of the features.

 

Let me just ask you HotCake, what makes you think that Collections is/can be a replacement for Reading List? Why do you want it to be a replacement? Why do you not want to have them as separate features? You've been very vocal about reading list being consumed by collections but you really haven't explained yourself. So I'm asking.

Well that's just assumptions.

because there is the potential. so why not?
why making different half baked features instead of focusing on just one of them to make it perfect and then in necessary, move to the next project/feature?
you are assuming that collections are done and now we should move on to the reading list. but that's just rushing. nothing is finished, it's far from it.
what is collections now? nothing practical. no sync, no decent export options, lots of features missing etc etc. so you want them to abandon it and start making reading list?
I've seen Microsoft listening to peoples feedbacks and actually applying them.

@HotCakeX 

 

Now your speculating on what I'm saying. I'm not saying that at all. In fact, I've already said previously (read up) that collections has a place in Edge. I just don't believe that it serves the same purpose as reading list. In fact, I find them to be very disconnected features of Edge. One has nothing to do with the other.

 

Just because they "can" roll 2 features up together, doesn't mean they "should". In fact, since the vision that Microsoft has already alluded to about what they think collections is, shows that it does not have a place with reading list (or vise versa if you prefer).  The vision of each feature is different. Trying to force collections to be something it's not (reading list) will not only destroy the fundamental value of what collections is, but will also try to force reading list to be something it is not. The "old" Microsoft went this route for many of their products and it ended up in failure. My hope would be the "new" Microsoft will have learned the lessons of old, and not repeat themselves. If Reading List is to be replaced with Collections it will be evident that Microsoft still has much to learn. (learn about the failures of Internet Explorer and it's full history to understand what I mean)

 

I will also make an assumption (since I don't have much to go on other then your own words) that you haven't been around Microsoft long enough. Give it time. You'll figure out they don't listen very often.

Phillip,

You know we are on the same wavelength. As I had said, they don't belong in the same discussion. They are 2 distinctly different animals with different reasons and purposes. Reading List MUST be in Edge C, having nothing to do with Collections.

Cheers,
Drew

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