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@tistou 

 

It's in Canary now. (build .251)

You can activate it from the bookmarks or settings submenu

@Elliot Kirk 

to be specific and clarify, the current Edge method is faster and a nicer method -- a better UX. It also makes sorting faster. Win-Win. But it requires that toolbar icon (#1 in the attached image ). Also, note that the "Favorites Bar" is a folder in Favorites and not expanded by default.

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@Cyber4 And this is exactly what they need to carry over to Edge Chromium.  

@matsmcp 

 

I do not have this menu with Edge Canary in French (favorites button)
Available only with Canary in English ?
 
Thanks

@tistou 

I am trying to find or figure how to enable FS.jpg, too. (so far, I don't see it, either, even w/ English).  It shouldn't matter whether French or English.

Cheers,
Drew
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Thank can only be done in a clean manner by maintaining the Favorites folder in the File Explorer. You can drag/drop, change properties, rename either singularly or in bulk, even create new folders on the fly. And all of that is immediately reflected in the browser. IE-11 does that and it's the main reason large corporations are hanging on to that old browser … not for the browser itself but for the efficiency of managing hundreds, even thousands of favorites. When a new employee comes on and gets his computer, or an employee is transferred to a different unit, favorites are preloaded according to his project/department/rank, or whatever category he fits into. Trying to manage all of that through a hidden database instead of a front end folder will keep Microsoft Enterprise customers fuming.
Totally agree

@Antonht 

Hi Anton,

The Favs button FS.jpg is coming to Edge C. Should see it fairly soon.  At least this is my understanding.  Hang on a bit longer...  The Edge top bar items are allegedly being put in Edge C albeit, piecemeal. 

Cheers,
Drew
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Supposedly it is coming.

Cheers,
Drew
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Hi All,

Thank you all for your feedback on favorites!  We understand how personal favorites are and are trying to get the defaults right, while offering the customization that you are asking for.  The latest change in this process is the addition of a more vertical favorites button that opens a fly-out.  This change is only in Canary right now, but should make its way into this week's Developer channel update.  The visibility of the button is controllable, so you can hide it if you don't want it cluttering up your browser's main interface.

We have also heard the feedback around the need to edit favorites offline, or push them out as part of an organizational change.  If you can, we would love to know more about how you do this today.  Do you use Active Directory to manage your organization, or just manually push out a series of favorites?  How many levels would you need, and how would you want to see those level depicted?  Would you expect that organizational favorites merge with personal favorites, or displayed in special folders?  Would you expect them to be read only, or would a user have the ability to manage (edit, reorder, delete or add to) them?

Thank you for taking the time to give us your feedback, we really appreciate it and use it!

- Elliot

@Elliot Kirk 

 

thanks so much for your reply
The Favorite button will be available this week for Canary ?
I still have nothing with the last (78.0.257)

@tistou 

Same here; no Favs button AND no Share button.  Have dug all over the place to no avail.

Cheers,
Drew

Drew, this is still in a controlled feature roll-out, and so not everyone will have it immediately.  We expect it to go out to everyone very shortly.  Thanks - Elliot 

@Elliot Kirk 

 

Please revert this change. The new icon is ugly, has poor visability on high res screens and is seen as smaller making it harder to hit on a touch device

 

I'm sad to see that MS speends time on breaking something that did work instead of fixing what we have been asking for and begging for from the begining. The exact icon and functionallity from Edge Classic - nothing Else

 

Please get it done. Its a blocking bug

 

 

@matsmcp

 

I think that's what it's about ?

Have the same Favorites button as in the Classic Edge (or as IE) with the same menu (and option)

@tistou 

 

Yes that is what you, me and a lot of other users want.

MS doesn't want to do that regardless of how much they ever claims to be listening on the users. 

 

Now they have created a simillar but worse Icon (in my eyes at least) and put in Canary so now we first have to get them to revert that and then get them to do what we asked for in the first place

@Elliot Kirk 

Thanks, Elliot.  I was wondering if I had missed a memo indicating it to be a controlled feature roll-out.  But, cool, that explains it.  Actually, I should prolly just read stuff more slowly (wink)

Cheers,
Drew
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@matsmcp 

 

It looks like it looks like that
If I can already remove the Favorites bar, it will be already a good beginning (on small screens, less visibility) :smile:

 

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@tistou 

 

Yes, smaller, thinner lines and one line missing (compared to classic)

@matsmcp   Cc: @Elliot Kirk & @David Rubino 

"The exact icon and functionality from Edge Classic - nothing Else.", Mat

Absolutely!!  Mat is 100% right!  Completely agree.  

Remember the old saying: "Don't fix what ain't broke!!" OR "Leave perfectly good (& well-liked) stuff alone!!" <-- New saying

This ^ , also, applies to Set aside/see all tabs/ Add notes.  Don't mess with the perfectly good parts!!  Improve under the covers, but, leave what we have (now), like & use intact!  as far as our Edge top bar items go, all we want is for them to be there, unchanged; left alone!  Pretend they are guests in the Edge Hotel & they have Do Not Disturb signs hanging on their doorknobs.

There are oodles of Users ALL saying the same thing.  

And speaking of things on the toolbar... THIS (Show in toolbar) is, also, currently completely missing from Edge C & that will never do!  Notice it includes (some) the very things people are demanding not be omitted; they refer to things as Top bar items (toolbar) because that's where Users put them or have become accustom to seeing them, although, placement is optional... well, at least, it is in Edge!
Toolbar.jpg

Cheers,
Drew
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@tistou 

We have had this ⬇ for a long time.  I use Never & then open & close if, when & only while needed via Ctrl+Shift+B.
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Cheers,
Drew
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@matsmcp 

 

Yes, with Canary, it's bigger, spaced and not only for that (a bit like Windows10 at the very beginning, more for the visually impaired as I could read everywhere)

 

For some web pages too (example with Adobe FTP)
Left, Canary and right, IE
 
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@Drew1903 

 

Yes thanks, 

but I prefer to have the favorites at "disposal"

@matsmcp 

 

I have the Favorites button in fact :stareyes:
Just "hide" the Favorites bar and the button appears 
 
I would have preferred as IE, smaller lines, less space, and with a folder, the favorites appears above and not beside (exactly like IE, in fact)
But hey, it's a very good start
 
Canary : 
 
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IE: 
 
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I will wait a little longer before switching completely to Chromium (font problem, etc ... be solved)
Not sure what you mean by that, but, I thought you had said something about you not wanting the Favs bar to be using browser real estate.

Cheers,
Drew

Sent from Windows Phone

@Drew1903 

 

Sorry for my English,

I kept the Favorites bar, even if it took the place

Now with the Favorites button :smile: (and I use Canary to replace Edge for some sites, waiting to use it at 100%)

Hello:

 

(Sorry for my English)

 

First, thank you for adding the favorites icon. The possibility of adding or removing is something very interesting for everyone.

 

Secondly, I am very disappointed to see what the favorites are like after so many months of waiting for such a new button for favorites.

 

As fellow Drew says, we just want what always worked in Internet Explorer and what works in the old Edge.

 

I hope you give this whole favorite theme a spin. I see it very very green. There are extensions of the competition that make it much more attractive.

 

I am an IE user until they change me to the new Chromiun edge. I am faithful to microsoft and its browser, but this change of favorites has disappointed me since in this forum many users have explained by active and passive how you want to manage favorites.

 

In my opinion, they have only made direct access to favorites in the main bar ... but that, just that. They have not changed anything about their management.

 

And in my opinion, managing bookmarks from the bookmarks folder ... is the best way to manage bookmarks when you have a large number of them. In the future (or present), it will not make sense for Windows 10 to continue putting the Favorites folder in the user folder.

 

In any case, I know that they are working hard on this new browser and that it is still green so I hope that much better things will come. In advance, thank you very much for all this.

 

Greetings and thank you

 

-----

 

Es español (Spanish)

 

Hola:

 

(Disculpas por mi ingles)

 

Lo primero, dar las gracias por añadir el icono de favoritos. La posibilidad de añadir o quitar es algo muy interesante para todos.

 

Lo segundo, estoy muy decepcionado de ver como son los favoritos despues de llevar tantos meses esperando por tan ansiado nuevo boton para favoritos.

 

Como dice el compañero Drew, solo queremos lo que siempre funciono en Internet Explorer y lo que funciona en el viejo Edge.

 

Espero que le den una vuelta mas a todo este tema de favoritos. Lo veo muy muy verde. Hay extensiones de la competencia que lo hacen mucho mas atractivo.

 

Soy usuario de IE hasta que me cambien al nuevo edge Chromiun. Soy fiel a microsoft y a su navegador, pero este cambio de favoritos me ha decepcionado puesto que en este foro muchos usuarios han explicado por activa y por pasiva como se quiere que sea la gestion de favoritos.

 

En mi opinion, solo han hecho un acceso directo a favoritos en la barra principal ... pero eso, solo eso. No han cambiado nada de su gestion.

 

Y en mi opinion, la gestion de favoritos desde la carpeta favoritos ... es la mejor forma de hacer una buena gestion de favoritos cuando se tienen una gran cantidad de ellos. En el futuro (o presente), no tendra sentido que windows 10 siga poniendo la carpeta Favoritos en la carpeta de usuario.

 

En cualquier caso, se que estan trabajando duramente en este nuevo navegador y que aun esta verde por lo que espero que vengan cosas mucho mejores. Por adelantado, muchas gracias por todo ello.

 

Un saludo y gracias

@ppnacho 

 

Same, I use IE most of the time, but its engine is so old, it does not work with some sites, that's why I used Edge for these sites and now Chromium

I must say that I was really an excellent navigator, not very greedy in resources, very beautiful design, nickel

Too bad that MS is not preserved part of this design (by adding the "flat design" like Windows 10

Hi

 

So, with a folder in favorites, it's possible to add the favorites appears above and not beside (exactly like IE / Edge, in fact)

 

Thanks

By flat you mean fluent?

@HotCakeX 

 

Aa yes, fluent design (like Edge and Windows 10)

It's on the developers' to-do list.

Hello

 

With a folder in favorites (with favorites button), does MS will add the favorites appears above and not beside (exactly like the "old Edge", in fact) ?

 

Thanks

I'm not sure what you mean but the way Microsoft Edge insider favorites work is exactly like Google Chrome. Edge insider only has an additional favorites button at the top which shows the bookmarks and folder in a vertical style, like when you click on the small arrow at the top-right of the bookmark bar to see full bookmarks list.
I got lost in trying to find the responses to my posts, so I guess I'll try to say it again as best I can.
I manage new employee onboarding for a global energy company with North American HQ in Houston. Part of that process includes assigning a laptop with his/her team or project bookmarks already loaded. That means we have to have multiple custom bookmark files to distribute companywide. The previous IE-11 system of using a separate folder in the My Documents folder was how we handle it. But if the NEW Edge is only handling Favorites in the Chrome manner within an internal database, then I fear many hundreds of thousands of employees sitting in many corporations will be frustrated. Having to handle bookmarks ONLY within the browser inhibits the way big companies need to move data. We are simply asking for a folder within the My Documents folder that we can collect, change, manage, and move bookmarks like IE-11 used to. Many of our employees have told us if that is not available then they will continue to use IE-11. We don't want that for security reasons, but we are pushing this to you because that's what employs and managers want. The Chrome system works fine for home users with a small number of bookmarks, but not when you need pre collected bookmarks unique to the various work groups, teams and projects. Thanks for the consideration.

@HotCakeX 

 

With Canary : 

 

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With IE/Edge :

 

IE.PNG

 

I understand that Edge Chromium is based on Chromium, but nothing prevents to improve it (and not just have a browser that looks like 99% to Google Chrome)

Every change is not necessarily an improvement though
Tistou, you are correct.
The screenshots you are showing are from the browser interface. I'm talking about the way Favorites were managed in the My Documents folder. You had total control over large batches at a time, and could move them from computer to computer just like regular files. An internal database within the browser prohibits that. There shouldn't be a requirement to open your browser and dig for your bookmarks if all you need to do is transfer batches of Favorites like files.
Right but that technology belongs to 10+ years ago. all major browsers Firefox, Edge, Chrome decided to handle it using databases and of course the cloud sync. we have to learn to adapt.
you can still move your bookmarks by export/importing them into other browsers.
the format is HTML and recognizable in most of the modern browsers. your bookmark icons will be transferred along the way too.
Limiting yourself does not make your life easier or better. If that's 'old technology' then let's just completely do away with the folder structure in computers altogether. Or for that matter, eliminate browsers as well and make the OS and browser the same like Chrome (Book) is moving toward. Is that the future you want? Corporations wont have it. You have tens of thousands of employees of various skill levels that have a role to play. Importing/exporting adds a couple of steps, and you cannot adjust the properties of specific batches of bookmarks within a folder while maintain properties of the others. It's called usability. Those of you who push adapting to the Google Chrome way of the world are not responsible for the masses of users that we are. YOU can adapt to your values, but many of us are responsible for people getting their jobs done. Your push to adapt to Google values mean nothing to us.
But they're 2 different things..
all the browser developing companies decides to take a different approach for managing favorites. this is not only aimed at Microsoft.
speaking about the users, Google Chrome has the Biggest user base in both home and office, probably corporates too.
the only reason corporates use Internet explorer is because "they have to". why they have to you might ask. the reason is the lazy website developers can't or don't know how to develop a modern website not to rely on ActiveX.
if the majority had problem with something as small as managing bookmarks i guess we wouldn't have be seeing so much market share for Google Chrome.
And honestly, i don't see how cloud sync which also works with work and school accounts, is problematic for you.
would you mind explaining what problems you exactly have with cloud sync in general?
Thanks

Microsoft had a great browser designed by Microsoft, Internet Explorer, which was User friendly.
After there was Edge, a little less User friendly.

And now Edge Chromium, which is 99% a copy of Google Chrome, with a real regression compared to the browser that Microsoft had accustomed us.
If MS wants to keep, see recover Google Chrome users, then need a better browser (for the options/features) than Chrome
Otherwise do not make new browser, and, or update IE (engine), or keep Google Chrome

I agree that Internet explorer was a great browser, by just like everything else, Internet explorer had its glory times and it's long gone now.
it was probably the best browser people could ever get their hands on back then (many years ago) but it's not the case anymore.

the market share alone says everything about how much people in the World like Internet explorer.

I wouldn't compare a stable browser like Google chrome that developers spent years working on with a super new browser in Alpha state like Microsoft Edge insider that's only been out for few months.

give it some time, it's still to early to judge it, i'm sure in a year it's gonna be better than Google chrome. specially once Microsoft ships the old Edge features to the new one.

@HotCakeX 

 

I totally agree with you, but I have the impression that as soon as we ask for an improvement / addition of option (or other), we have as an answer that it is not native to Chromium and that it is not possible

 

PS: My English is bad, sorry if you do not always understand me

Chrome is NOT the most use among global corporations, but it IS the most used among home and small business. The needs are completely different. And it's not problematic for me, personally. But it is when you have to address the needs of so many people, so many different departments, and projects, and need to ensure that they can do their job. When your career has lifted you to the point where you are responsible for 46,000 employees and how they use their computers you might understand. But it's clear you are totally un aware of the size of the problem.
Let's hope that it won't happen. if that be the case then things like set tabs aside, pdf inking and lots of other unique features won't be added.
it's alright no problem
Oh i'm totally aware of that, but maybe you're not aware how scalable cloud platforms can be.
all of the needs of corporations can be addressed via cloud sync. it's bigger than what you think. and Edge settings can be controlled via group policy.
Maybe, not the case, but, I am going to suggest the following. Certainly, I do know of the Favorites folder in My Docs. Possibly, that will, actually, tie to our Edge C Favorites once and when Edge C is, indeed and in fact, an integrated part of the OS; as Edge is, now.

Cheers,
Drew

Sent from Windows Phone

@tistou 

"I understand that Edge Chromium is based on Chromium, but nothing prevents to improve it (and not just have a browser that looks like 99% to Google Chrome)"

Especially, being Chromium-based, it should be easy to be able to have its own individual identity! I, too, like so many others do not want a Google-Chrome clone with a Microsoft logo on the door.  That would not be exciting or enticing and would completely miss the point.  AS I have said before, go nuts under the covers & down in the 'boiler room', but, don't mess with or omit stuff we (already) have, use & like "AS IS"!  And if & when heaps of us including Enterprise customers, are saying things, the same things, well... take heed!  <-- is what Folks keep hoping, that their voice is not & won't be for naught.  They DO need to have all they are mentioning, repeatedly.

Cheers,
Drew
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@techViewsorg 

Your point is so super-valid and true!  Big Biz IS (mostly) Windows, Office & more MS services & products, installed & or Cloud.  But, something said has exceptions.  Many are not fans of Google-Chrome, at all and are not part of any effort to push adopting to it.  Not being keen to adapt to it is very understandable... for anyone, but, certainly for large Enterprise & Corp. scenarios & environments.

And, not meaning to minimize anything, but, I do remind, Edge C is far from 'GA'.  We must keep making ourselves heard in the meantime and maybe, hopefully... And I still wonder about the Favorites folder after Edge C is an integral part of the OS...

Cheers,
Drew
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Windows insider 20H1 build 18980
i can confirm there no such folder exists there.
Internet explorer is hidden and not usable, most of its executables are omitted.
that's very unlikely for MSFT to let go the modern database and return to the folder based favorites. if they were planning that they would apply it in the next upcoming Windows build
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