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sambul95
Regular Contributor

Let's dedicate this thread to websites, which exhibit unusual behavior in Edge Insider. They either don't open or work as expected, or cause high CPU and/or GPU load when in focus. 

 

One can check current hardware load in Settings-More Tools-Browser Task Manager, make a screenshot, and post it here. Before reporting the issue, try installing an Add Blocker extension like uBlock Origin, reload the webpage, and see if the Tab hardware load drops shortly. On older PCs and laptops, fans usually wind up with loads, so you feel it fast.

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@sambul95 

 

One popular website to report used by 5 mln folks per month is Google Earth. It doesn't work at all to navigate the earth. Here's the screenshot. I wonder if Edge Insider team can fix that?

 

BrokenSites1.jpg

@sambul95 

 

I think Google Earth will only work in Chrome.  I know it doesn't work in Firefox or IE.   This is from their website:

 

With Google Earth for Chrome, fly anywhere in seconds and explore hundreds of 3D cities right in your browser. Roll the dice to discover someplace new, take a guided tour with Voyager, and measure distances and areas. Coming soon to more browsers.

 

Bill

@Deleted 

 

Nope, the reason it doesn't work in Edge Preview is the Edge devs removed Google Portable Native Client plugin from Chromium. Its in the installer package, but not registered properly, despite they still use the same Pepper API with Flash Player.

@sambul95 

 

I don't doubt what you are saying.  I just got the impression from other sources that Google Earth only works in Chrome.  Besides IE and Firefox not supporting Google Earth, Vivaldi also doesn't.  It is also a chromium based browser.  From ghacks.net:

 

Google makes the new Google Earth Chrome exclusive

Google unveiled a redesigned version of Google Earth today which, unlike its predecessor, is a web application. While that sounds good on first glance, as you may run Google Earth now without having to install software or an application first, the new version is limited to Google Chrome currently on the desktop.

The desktop version of Google Earth is still offered on the official site though, so that non-Chrome users may download and use the application in its older form.

Google notes that the new Google Earth works in Chrome on the desktop only. While that means support on Chromebook devices, and also better support on Linux, it also means that the new version of Google Earth is not available for users who run non-Chrome desktop browsers.

Changing the user agent does not help right now to get the new Google Earth to work in other browsers.

@sambul95

Open issues: 

a) https://www.7tv.de/ = videos cannot be switched to full screen (button does nothing). EdgeDev & Canary. Other browsers are working.

b) http://audioexperience.dolby.com/ = "LEAF" video (on the left) does not work / play. EdgeDev & Canary. Old Edge is working.

c) Flash Player content -> switch content to full screen = complete white screen. EdgeDev & Canary. Other browsers are working.
Example: http://wwwns.akamai.com/hdnetwork/demo/flash/default.html

(enable Flash Player = edge://settings/content/flash )

 

(all problems also reported via smiley button)

 

Fixed issues:

a) https://www.funkykarts.rocks/demo.html = crashing on loading (fixed since version 76.0.167.0)

b) https://www.dailymotion.com/ = video preview pics are broken (fixed since version 76.0.161.0)

@MrX1980 

 

Its an interesting phenomena going on now with Edge Insider. Many folks are trying it on websites, which don't work well or fast enough in Chrome. While Edge devs mostly concentrate on optimizing performance of the most popular sites to match Chrome performance, like YouTube ets. 

 

As a result, Edge mostly works well on North American popular sites. But in other world regions many sites cause high CPU and GPU process load in Edge Chromium, while Chrome works perfectly. I wonder whether Edge team purposely wants to limit the browser testing now to North American domains?

 

Or this happens because local advertisers use JS and other browser hogs not frequent on NA sites? I tried to switch off all 3rd party scripts in uBlock Origin on such sites, but Edge high hardware and PC fans load continues on many foreign domains. I wonder if someone else noticed that?

@MrX1980 

If you add [*.]akamai.com to the allow section of edge://settings/content/flash,it will work for the akamai flash demo. 

@sambul95 

 

Another popular website that currently appears broken is YouTube showing older UI. It seems to be just a matter of Google selectively pushing different pages to varying browsers. Its likely to be fixed later by negotiating the issue with Google. 

 

But if you're in rush to use modern YouTube interface, try this:

 

Install User-Agent Switcher, then change UA to Opera for Windows. Or check your browser UA and edit it to current Chrome UA string for MS Edge in the extension Options.

 

Now if you're unhappy how Google treats Edge Chromium at their popular sites, isn't Edge team doing the same right now with many sites outside North America, like Western and Eastern Europe, by exhibiting high CPU load forcing users to switch back to Chrome that works perfectly well with near 0% CPU load on the same sites? Let's be fare to everyone instead of claiming Edge Chromium is discriminated against.

@sambul95 So, what is the point?  If Microsoft does that, it is ok to do for Google?  We are not talking about Microsoft here.  We are talking about Google.

I have opened a bug that references this thread.  Whenever you find a website that isn't working with the Insider builds, just add it to the bottom of this thread, with the build that you have tried it on and the symptoms that you are seeing.  It would also be very helpful if you were able to tell us if it worked on either Chrome or the current version of Edge.

 

Thank you in advance,

Elliot

There is no problem with YouTube and the old Edge. We are talking about build 76.0.173.0 as of today.  @Elliot Kirk 

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I don't doubt what you are saying.  I just got the impression from other sources that Google Earth only works in Chrome.  Besides IE and Firefox not supporting Google Earth, Vivaldi also doesn't.  It is also a chromium based browser. 


Popular articles don't explain tech behind some phenomena, they just describe it from a user standpoint. There's always a story behind such news bites. Microsoft invented ActiveX decades ago, which allowed to link and embed a window of one application into another (like picture-in-picture). While ActiveX tech was criticized from all sides, its still in use today - indefinitely long, and brought into Edge Chromium again, for example as IE Mode.

 

Google realized long ago that controlling the OS gives infinite advantages to apps efficiency. They even designed Chromium OS, which uses Chromium as its UI and supports web applications running in browser window. For Chrome running on Windows, they added a plugin Google Portable Native Client (PNACL), so it can also host apps like Google Earth, which run in a safe sandbox inside the browser.  Google's PNACL is similar to MS ActiveX, but treated by Edge team differently. While ActiveX is given a warm welcome, PNACL is purposely blocked in Edge Chromium. When one tries to install an app from Google Store, Edge Chromium displays the message: "Installing Themes and Apps is not supported".

 

Yes, both ActiveX and PNACL don't fit well into current web standards, and might eventually be replaced with a newer tech. That's why other Chromium based niche browsers don't use both. But why the new "mass browser for everyone" Edge Chromium treats such unfairly Google apps, while promoting with IE Mode MS own very old apps to enterprise users no longer supported for decades? This hits prospective Edge Chromium converts, who are customization fans, as they can't use web apps anymore admired with Chrome. 

https://www.t-mobile.com will not load. It just spins and pops up a box for Wait or Cancel.

Canary 76.0.174.0.

Dev 76.0.167.1 does work.

I have also reported this via smiley.

 

 


@ms4132 wrote:

https://www.t-mobile.com will not load.

 


@ms4132 

 

I had no trouble accessing this site from England on EC 76.0.174.0:

EC-T-mobile.png

 

After today's Canary channel updates to version 174 and, just now, 175, I can't access:

https://twitter.com/?lang=en

https://www.windowscentral.com/

 

Both are working fine on Chrome Desktop 74.0.3729.169 as well as Edge Dev channel version 172, Edge Mobile and Chrome Mobile.

 

I've tried both sites on two computers running Edge Canary, including trying the user agent switcher extension after the problems with YouTube earlier this week...nothing is working.

@Noel Burgess Thanks for letting me know. I tried it again now on 175 and it is working again.

@ms4132 

This is the situation I've had, and it's my solution.

On Wednesday, I found I couldn't access the website https://ck101.com/

,but other browser could.

I went to the Settings > Reset settings  reset all browser settings, restart the browser, and now I can access the website.

I had the same issue beginning with Build 174 and continuing to 175. I reset the browser settings, as suggested,and that took care of the problem. It also substantially -- and I mean substantially -- improved performance overall.

@greghile 

 

Its unclear what Reset Settings actually does. Is it limited only to settings offered in Edge Chromium Settings UI? Or it involves resetting ALL flags and other Chromium hidden options? This is the question to Edge developers. It seems to switch off all extensions as well, despite they give no problems. Chrome extensions once added may modify browser hidden options. Resetting conflicts with Extensions work and purpose.

 

I suspect that many European websites show high CPU and GPU load, because Edge can't properly identify when their webpages finished loading, or can't handle their scripts. They might contain some common scripts that are less often used in North America by web devs.

Just noticed I do not work some sites.
Found only two.
https://www.weblancer.net
https://thecommunity.ru
Spin the download spiner and the tab hangs without answering.
In other browsers opens without problems.

@HD321kbps 

 

Thanks for the examples. I just check these pages, they load into Edge Dev 172 64-bit, but as many East European sites give high CPU and GPU processes load. It definitely needs devs investigation, unless of course its a "policy". May be some Edge Telemetry scripts don't make friends with European sites? :) They open in Chrome with near 0% CPU load. Fixing Edge handling of one of such sites may fix its handling of most of them.

 

HighCPU on RU.jpg

@sambul95 

Stopped working in the last 2-3 builds Canary

@Deleted Confirming the same behavior in 175.  Random sites won't load and tab says "Not Responding". All sites work in old Edge and Chrome.


@HD321kbps wrote:
Just noticed I do not work some sites.
Found only two.
https://www.weblancer.net
https://thecommunity.ru
Spin the download spiner and the tab hangs without answering.
In other browsers opens without problems.

In Version 76.0.176.0 fixed

@HD321kbps 

 

Can you post Browser Task Manager screenshot on that site in v176 (wait for it to populate fields)? Was high CPU & GPU processes load fixed too?

@sambul95 
The load remained high.
CPU tab up to 125 when loading and scrolling up to 25.


@sambul95 Hi, I currently cannot confirm your high CPU/GPU problem here in germany on my two Windows 10 build 18362.145 devices (desktop [i7-6850k / GTX 1060] & notebook [i5-7200U / HD620]).

I use Edge Dev and Canary without any extension. If I load websites, I see for a short time spikes over 25 % and then under 6%.

 

Are you using a different anti virus program than Windows Defender?

 

The load remained high.
CPU tab up to 125 when loading and scrolling up to 25.



Tested in more detail. The load is not very high comparable with other browsers.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/xrfnenkgojevt9t/Video_2019-06-01_143528.wmv?dl=0

@HD321kbps 

 

Thanks for the great video. The load is high for you at site content sent to translator. But I was not talking about it, its a separate issue. I mean high CPU and GPU load: 6 to 30% at simply idling the site without scrolling the page. Before we observed similar high periodic load sparks on ANY site opened with Edge. Pls read this thread: Browser and GPU process are much higher compared to Brave.

 

That issue was fixed due to community feedback. Now we observe similar issue on most European, and particularly East Europe sites. Possibly due to common scripts used not frequent on North American sites. Absolute load values depend on CPU model, so folks with new PCs may  think its OK, but for older PCs its way too high sparks causing excessive fan load and battery use. Chrome Task Manager shows near 0% CPU and GPU load on same sites. When posting load screenshots, its important to add your hardware info (CPU, GPU, RAM).

Google Chrome is becoming more and more IE6 ("works best with....") 

 

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@Rixster 

 

Here is a french website BlaBlaCar that represents a typical problem for Edge Chromium. The browser CPU and GPU load is constantly high indefinitely long on many European websites, while it stays mostly 0% in Google Chrome regardless of PC age and CPU power.

 

BrokenSites2.jpg

@Elliot Kirk 

I have opened a bug that references this thread.  Whenever you find a website that isn't working with the Insider builds, just add it to the bottom of this thread, with the build that you have tried it on and the symptoms that you are seeing. 

What is the bug number? I need to reference it in talks with Edge Support. 

 

Here is another example of hugely popular website Edge Chromium Dev 179 and all other versions show with indefinitely long high CPU and GPU load: 4pda     The load seems to be caused by the same popular script frequently used on European sites. Chrome shows it at 0% load. I don't see any progress on this matter at all.

@sambul95 

Retecool.com, H3 and H2 headers look compressed
retecool.jpg

Hi @sambul95, we are still unable to repro these on our side, but we aren't giving up yet!  We are trying to figure out if this behavior is in the Chromium code or in one of our changes.  To understand this better it is very helpful to understand if you are seeing this same CPU load in the Chromium daily builds as well as Microsoft Edge Canary and Dev channels.  It is possible that Chrome does something extra that Chromium doesn't do, but we cannot investigate more fully until we are able to reproduce this high CPU load.  That said I was able to see a high CPU load from the link that @HD321kbps supplied (thecommunity.ru).  I don't see a difference between Chromium and today's Dev channel, though.  In this case it is likely that the site is doing something rather than a bug with the browser.  For the 4pda and weblancer sites, both the CPU and GPU processes drop to 0 very quickly and then just pop-up every couple of seconds to check on various threads.  Feel free to reach out to me directly again and we can continue looking at this issue.

 

Thanks,

Elliot

 

 

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