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VIEW ALL PARTICIPANTS IN VIDEO MEETING
Right, lots in this thread to unpack.
1. The 4 video view will work in the desktop app on Windows, Mac, Linux or the mobile app on Apple or Android. It is not possible in the browser. I don't believe this is likely to change in any useful time period.
2. The 9 video view is in development, and Microsoft have heard loud and clear from MVPs that it's important. As far as I know it won't be here during April.
3. The view you see will always be the students that talked most recently. If you keep your students muted and unmute to speak it shouldn't be confusing to work out who is speaking.
4. As the teacher you can select any of the students in your meeting to view their video by clicking on the ... next to their name in the list of attendees and selecting pin, once you have finished unpin to get back to active speakers.
4. Your school districts are probably wise to not permit the use of Zoom, they have a responsibility to not allow your student data to be accessed by third parties or several other risks. Look up zoom bombing if you think it'll be fine, or when zoom were sending data to Facebook without permission, or when hackers worked out how to access private meetings.
5. Teams has very good controls to allow you to keep order during a meeting, controlling who can speak, present etc. It's harder to achieve this in Zoom. Tips in my video attached.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKdlyf_KDCg
This is so immensely frustrating. I'm a teacher, and we've been having wonderful class sessions with my 26 kids via Zoom. I can see all of them, I can respond to their facial expressions and reactions. I can call on their raised hand without them needing to hit the digital 'raise hand' key (and I don't have to 'lower their hand' afterwards). It's better for teaching, management, and community. The 4-person limitation - or even the 9-person limitation - will be a big step backwards. Unfortunately, our district is saying that Zoom is not an approved app and we have to use Teams. PLEASE address this issue ASAP. I can't believe that with all of the brainpower and money that Microsoft has, they can't figure out how to give me the same level of functionality as Zoom.
Right, lots in this thread to unpack.
1. The 4 video view will work in the desktop app on Windows, Mac, Linux or the mobile app on Apple or Android. It is not possible in the browser. I don't believe this is likely to change in any useful time period.
2. The 9 video view is in development, and Microsoft have heard loud and clear from MVPs that it's important. As far as I know it won't be here during April.
3. The view you see will always be the students that talked most recently. If you keep your students muted and unmute to speak it shouldn't be confusing to work out who is speaking.
4. As the teacher you can select any of the students in your meeting to view their video by clicking on the ... next to their name in the list of attendees and selecting pin, once you have finished unpin to get back to active speakers.
4. Your school districts are probably wise to not permit the use of Zoom, they have a responsibility to not allow your student data to be accessed by third parties or several other risks. Look up zoom bombing if you think it'll be fine, or when zoom were sending data to Facebook without permission, or when hackers worked out how to access private meetings.
5. Teams has very good controls to allow you to keep order during a meeting, controlling who can speak, present etc. It's harder to achieve this in Zoom. Tips in my video attached.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKdlyf_KDCg
Hi Steve, as a teacher of 26 Year 4 students, point 4 of your post sounds good in theory but is SUPER frustrating in practice. Trying to deliver online content to kids who are 7 years old briefly and succinctly is hard enough without having to view multiple screens,find, click on participants, pin, unpin, find, click on, pin, unpin participants and so on, and so on... along with the added hassle that students can unmute themselves and derail your lesson.
So, we are using Zoom during lockdown which is able to overcome all these issues during lockdown here in NZ.
Just to be clear, this is a community forum, all the people you just tagged with your curt comments are unpaid normal people offering advice and help to Teams users during this lockdown. If you have something valuable to say then please contribute, but if your only mission is to criticise and complain with no constructive input then maybe think about how it might effect others. There's no one here, or I'm sure in Microsoft either, that wouldn't want to do their upmost to support the millions of people working and educating from home to the best of their ability.
It's pretty great that both Microsoft and Zoom are offering their products for free to education.
Have you read some of the other comments to this post? I think what he said pales in comparison to some earlier ones. I don't think my own District gets Microsoft free (but I could be wrong) It's frustrating to try to teach, manage 20 students remotely, and figure out the technology at the same time. I have received great advice and some frustration. I will take them both. It's a rough life out here. Let's be kind to each other. Hopefully we will have solutions to these dilemmas soon. I don't use zoom in my instruction, but do attend zoom meetings and there's definitely a better feeling of community, which is sorely needed in Teams. Thank you ALL!
Please add full participant view ASAP, not just talk but implement please. we moved from Skype to Teams and expected this functionality.
- Sorry, but it is very confusing to figure out who is talking, and the screen switching around 5 times as 6 people try to talk at once. This seems like it should be a priority to fix, since there are thousands of requests for a better feature since mid-March. I would have thought Microsoft would be the leader in this technology, not lagging behind in last place?
StevenC365This is a nicely worded way of saying "Everything is just fine as it is, the problem is the end user not using Teams properly."
As we have seen with the sudden prominence of Zoom, nobody cares about security if the functionality isn't there. Touting the security of a product missing obvious functionality, is missing the point. You know what's really secure? Not using anything at all, which is only slightly less functional than using Teams as-is.
CAP_C3D Please do not attribute things to me that I did not say, that is frankly rude and unprofessional.
StevenC365To summarize my statement, I said you touted the security of Teams, while ignoring the functionality provided by other software.
CAP_C3D wrote: You know what's really secure? Not using anything at all, which is only slightly less functional than using Teams as-is.
StevenC365 thanks for the post on preventing Teams bombing.
Is there a way of automatically changing the status of individuals, or groups of individuals, to the list of Attendees without going through them one-by-one? In Zoom, for example, users can be automatically flagged (by those with Host accounts) as belonging to a specific user account type ahead of the meeting. Just thinking that'd save a lot of faff and hassle in a class of 20-30 students. (Plus being able to actually *see* most of them rather than just 4, but hey, I've discussed that in a separate post, no point in going on another rant! Suffice to say I'd be astonished if it's here in April 2021, given how long we've been waiting... Guess the Most Valuable Procrastinators have earned their title.)
Tugsim I showed in the video how to set the Meeting Options before a meeting such that everyone other than the teachers join as attendees already.
- Well explained. Teams is huge collaboration tool whereas zoom you can compare with webex or bluejeans.
alitaqvi wrote:
Well explained. Teams is huge collaboration tool whereas zoom you can compare with webex or bluejeans.Exactly! That's what people are not understanding. People are focusing on one or two things that Teams doesn't do as well as an app/platform that focuses just on those one or two things. If Teams was only about conferencing, then this is all very-well deserved criticism. But look at everything Teams does do and how does that stack up to what WebEx/Zoom do? Would it satisfy people to say "Teams is a jack of all trades. WebEx/Zoom are a master of one."
Teams is a Swiss Army Knife. WebEx/Zoom are German steel scalpels.
That being what it is... Microsoft along with the rest of us understand the Pros & Cons of each platform.
But I doubt that many businesses or their respective IT departments are going to spend the time and money to roll out a completely new infrastructure to address what is hopefully a short-term annoyance as it relates to video conferencing. If we weren't all forced to work remotely, very few would be clamoring to replace Teams with an alternative.
If/When Microsoft releases the update to the 9-box, is it clear that it still won't satisfy most of the people in this thread. So why rush it? If they do rush the 9-box or something larger like a video feed for every Participant, and it doesn't work that well or worse, breaks existing functionality, nobody wins in that scenario.What's more likely to happen is that your respective businesses/IT department will tell you to "make do" until this passes. Or, they may authorize a switch to some smaller/less expensive offering from WebEx/Zoom. And then once this all passes, you all will revert back to Teams because that's where all your work actually takes place. You need your Swiss Army knife more than a scalpel. The people that control your infrastructure and finances know that. And Microsoft knows that.
"People are focusing on one or two things that Teams doesn't do as well as an app/platform that focuses just on those one or two things. "
Teams is a collection if unfinished tools, the videoconferencing part is just one thing that needs additional features. I could list a bunch of things- single window UI; inability to pin an entire team, and you can nav from a channel back to the team or add users to a team from a channel; crappy as a front-end to SharePoint; Inability to SEARCH FOR ANYTHING- those come to mind immediately.
This thread is just about one poorly finished item of many.
